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what's up um happy

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wednesday yeah it's uh

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it's our third installment of uap

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um boot camp

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and i'm pretty excited today because we

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have a great guest to join us

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um which i'm very excited about because

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as you know in

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education um you have to know that you

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don't know really anything

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and

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learn as much as you can

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so uh without further ado

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um i'm gonna bring in somebody who's

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special to the show

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uh he's been on a couple times

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um he's just about finished with a great

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book

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um on the foo fighters and he writes

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many articles for uap media uk i think

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he even did for the debrief

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um without further ado let me bring in

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the man the myth

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and the myth again graeme randell how

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are you

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fine thanks good good

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um

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yeah so thanks for joining us i just

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kind of threw this idea together

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um because

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i don't know i felt i had all this

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useless information and documents in my

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head and i really just needed something

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to do with it

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and so i wanted to do this although i

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understand that um

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you know i'm new here so so i wanted to

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bring in some people who you know

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know their way around these documents

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too and you know could have something to

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share with us so

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you had a pretty interesting uh topic

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that you wanted to bring to the table um

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yeah

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described it to you um you know when i

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let you know about what i was sort of

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proposing was um when is evidence not

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evidence so we'll start with like the

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basics in terms of looking at some cia

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documents um because a lot of people

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over the years have suggested that the

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cia were quite heavily investigating

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ufos because of some of the documents

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that have been released now that might

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be the case in terms of some things but

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quite a few of them aren't what they

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seem

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so we've seen um and particularly one

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the last documents we'll have a look at

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today that's been put forward as being

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proof that cia we're definitely

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investigating ufos but actually when you

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look at it and when you read it

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it actually means something else so we

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can go into that

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right interesting

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so i would imagine and at that point

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once something comes out

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um like that it probably catches like uh

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wildfire

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well that's it i mean certainly so

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people saw cia documents and of course

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that was a you know that was just a big

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red flag to a lot of people going oh the

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cia you know of releasing documents that

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have you know information about ufos so

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therefore they must be investigating

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them well

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i say that that may be that may be true

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but actually in terms of these documents

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which you'll see here and some of them

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don't actually have any details on them

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whatsoever there's a perfectly good

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reason why some of these were actually

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you know sort of rooted through the cia

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the cia i mean as far as i'm aware

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couldn't investigate things on your home

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turf uh inside the united states that

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were basically supposed to operate

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outside the country um and basically and

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find you know information of an

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intelligence nature and of course one of

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the big targets and thought the biggest

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target during the cold war was soviet

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so you can find some

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um you know documents around here where

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what they're doing is that they're

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investigating some of the stuff that

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in russia because anything that they got

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their hands on in terms of newspaper

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reports um you know which might have

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detailed some kind of technology or

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secret facilities or or just you know

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something out in the ordinary like that

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would have been passed through their

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hands and of course they were always

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monitoring foreign sort of media

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networks so newspapers uh radio stations

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all the rest of it and people were

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feeding them information as well from

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their contacts and their sources all

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around the globe so of course this

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different day

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but this is where these documents come

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from in the main they're just simply

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the cia saying oh yes we've received x y

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and z from a b and c

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and now we're going to pass it on to e d

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e f g kind of thing so

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that's what it was but because the

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information itself relates to possible

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ufo sightings or um your crashes and all

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the rest of it then that's been built up

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over the years to be oh the cia

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investigating ufos well no really it was

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like yuri in the paper and seeing it and

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seeing a story about ufo that's crashed

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you know in the next door town and that

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does that mean you're investigating ufos

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no it doesn't it just means you've read

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this is where this comes from no and i'd

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you know now that you mentioned it i see

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those all the time when i'm looking

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real quick let's say hi to everybody we

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got alien girl what's up thanks for

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stopping by good to see you again

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disclosure team what's up

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yeah you guys know each other right we

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do yeah well finney's joined our team at

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uap media uk so yeah we're all one big

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happy family now that is it hey buddy

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has he got his red wine with him though

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uh probably

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but engage hello sir

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um

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robert bob how you doing scott thanks

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for the donation i appreciate it that

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really helps grandmaster

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what's up

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good to see you again

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um yeah thanks for joining us everybody

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spaghetti

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actually is going

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it's always funny

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because i got to call this person buy

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spaghetti

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got some real life stuff he's doing so

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he might be late or have to watch it

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later not a problem but

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um so

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should we take a look at these things

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yes please do okay yeah we'll just go

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through them one by one if you don't

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mind so i think there's seven of them

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all together so yeah

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so i mean this one goes back to 1957. um

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and i think it might have been sorry

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is that the first one yeah which uh

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or could be 1959 sorry the first one i

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yeah that's it there okay and basically

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what it says is you can't quite read it

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because of the the size of it and it's

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the the copy wasn't great on the

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internet that i pulled it from i pulled

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these from the black fold by the way but

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they are i think they are like floating

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around the internet in different places

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as well so the subject of this one it

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said ussr and ukraine um and of course

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you've got bits blacked out so they

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don't want you know giving away where

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they get precisely where they get some

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of this information from because some of

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the sources were you know they wanted to

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keep secret because they want to use

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them again you've got the date there and

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that's uh what does it say december 1959

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yeah uh yeah and then it just said that

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the topic is basically it was a report

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of a ufo sighting but everything's been

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blacked out and if you can just see on

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the left-hand margin there down on the

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body of the document the numbers one two

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three four five and six

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so there were six different bullet

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points there but everything has been

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redacted or just been completely wiped

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from the document so we have no idea

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what actually was talked about but

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chances are that was and i'm just

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supposing but based on the other reports

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that'll have been information that have

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been given from a source somewhere in

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russia or possibly a newspaper or

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possibly a you know some other kind of

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like been filtered through to the cia

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and you know whichever collection

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department they were looking at the

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ukraine will have got this information

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in december 1959 and then you know they

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won't be able to investigate it because

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they wouldn't have people too many

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people on the ground there that they can

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go and go and ask people right soviet

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russia still yes you're crazy

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it's just basically a one source which

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can't be verified with the information

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that can't be verified saying this is

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information about a ufo sighting right

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so you know that's exactly what that is

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now why do you think they take those is

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it just to it was just a run-of-the-mill

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stuff sure so it could have been

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a mig-15 crash right or a new type of

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soviet main battle type or the sighting

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of a ballistic missile convoy showing

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somewhere where it hadn't been seen

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before it could be any of those things

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or the blacks or the black safety

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fleeted sevastopol uh the naval base so

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but it happens that this thing you know

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if it's a ufo sighting they would lump

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that together with possible technology

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you know the kind of thing about the

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german sort of super weapons being

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passed you know onto the russians at the

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end of war all that has sort of died

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down by this particular point i think

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there were always one you know wondering

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what the russians were cooking up you

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know um you know behind closed doors and

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anything that was could be conceivably

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a new weapon system which maybe nobody

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had heard of yeah almost got filtered

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through you know they weren't going to

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throw that information away just because

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it said ufo on it you know the analysts

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probably would look at this and just

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probably discard it at the end of the

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day but they would look through just in

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case there was any other information and

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it could just be because of the

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collection system was used or um you

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know the particular kind of any any

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information that might be related to

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something oh yeah actually that's not a

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ufo that's a new fighter jet or a new

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missile or bloody blah blah yeah that's

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what they would do but

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probably nine times out of ten the

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actual document itself all the

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information rather would just get

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discarded because it would be of no

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practical use to them whatsoever um you

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know the cia we weren't really in the

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business of investigating ufos as far as

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i'm aware

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um you know they're just like they have

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a lot of records of it like years and

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minutes of meetings and all that but it

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doesn't mean that they were the ones

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doing that yeah but that probably face a

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role wasn't to do with collect it was

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wasn't to do with investigating ufos it

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just so happened they were a conduit for

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a lot of the information now where that

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because that's what they were doing

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so that's that's a you know that's a

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that's a good example of what was there

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so here's the second one and this one

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again uh unidentified flying object

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observe and i can't quite read the rest

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of that but um something to see i've got

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the final name

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i think it's iran it's iran isn't it

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yeah

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1957

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and then the text yeah it comes up so

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i'll just pull mine on my on my screen

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so i can actually read what it says um

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yeah

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um so it's got

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yeah 12th august at 11 a.m local time a

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flying object was seen from iranian and

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it's got a place then which i can't

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quite read

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it's got some coordinates traveling on a

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course from and then the place name the

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object appeared to be a ball about one

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half meter in diameter and had a tail

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one half meter in length it traveled at

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high speed at a height of about 2000

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feet and was visible for only a few

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seconds

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um and then it says about a trail left

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by the object drifted over iranian

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jolfer i think that is from the ussr and

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consisted of a trail about five or ten

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centimeters in diameter so

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how do you it's a weird kind of story

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isn't it

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well that's it yeah

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that's the whole thing when you get into

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like you know measuring the sizes of

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unknown objects right haven't got any

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frame of reference so you don't know how

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far away they are so you can't estimate

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size and vice versa so you just wonder

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how this report came um you know about

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but of course the source has been

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blacked out the place and date's been

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blacked out you've only got the date

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which is 11th of june so that first bit

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must be in april sorry it was in august

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and then you've got the field comment as

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well at the bottom and it says um

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whoever it was or whatever you know

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whichever

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agency they report this also reported

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seeing a flying object at the same time

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and described it as being the size of a

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football and moving at a height of a

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he said that the smoke trail left behind

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the object was visible for about 15

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minutes

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so it's an interesting little tale from

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1957 yeah but it doesn't really give you

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much does it you know although even

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today was what we're hearing about these

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kind of football-sized objects you know

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which are flying around so you've got

364
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links to the past there but not entirely

365
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sure what the cia would do that

366
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information rather than pass it on to

367
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somebody they were clearly interested in

368
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it because it came out of the ussr

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according to the document flew over

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iranian territory but what was it well

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the drone technology back in the late

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1950s was basically full-scale aircraft

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which were pilot which were um rendered

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as radio controlled uh you know didn't

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have pilots saying that that was a drone

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back in those days so you weren't

377
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looking at kind of modern things you

378
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could fly around with battery packs and

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all around and the size of a football

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did we have

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the

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technology to get up to

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2000 miles per hour at that time what

384
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was it oh easy yeah was it um

385
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yeah

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right

387
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yeah but certainly you get up to like a

388
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thousand miles now maybe a little bit

389
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more with a you know with a big with a

390
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mig 19 um in those the mig 19 farmer i

391
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think that was the first supersonic jet

392
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um or the first supersonic um

393
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operational jets that the russian air

394
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force actually had

395
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and so that was about the late 1950s uh

396
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probably 55 56 sort of thing um yeah so

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if you if anybody wants to look at the

398
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mig-19 that the nato nato called it

399
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code named it farmer but they always

400
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give them all these aircraft names

401
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foxboxing fishbed and all this kind of

402
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thing

403
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but that's what it was called by nato so

404
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yeah they did have aircraft that could

405
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go quite quick

406
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i think some

407
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yeah exactly um so yeah so it's another

408
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interesting little story but yeah it's

409
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not evidence that the cio are

410
00:14:41,910 --> 00:14:40,160
investigating ufos it's merely them

411
00:14:43,910 --> 00:14:41,920
getting hold of this report from

412
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presumably one of their sources

413
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somewhere in you know either in russia

414
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or in iran uh bearing in mind you know

415
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iran wasn't um like a fundamentalist

416
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country like it is now um so you know

417
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they were quite sort of reasonably

418
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friendly possibly to the to the west at

419
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that time

420
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yeah and i guess we could almost take

421
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from this too they don't necess you know

422
00:15:04,870 --> 00:15:03,680
necessarily mean a flying saucer because

423
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they didn't

424
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they put flying object yeah that's right

425
00:15:10,629 --> 00:15:08,880
yeah so they're quite conscious of the

426
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fact this could be some kind of sacred

427
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russian military technology right it

428
00:15:15,269 --> 00:15:14,160
could have been some kind of missile you

429
00:15:16,389 --> 00:15:15,279
know some kind of weapons delivery

430
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system and they were they probably

431
00:15:19,110 --> 00:15:18,079
weren't entirely sure and certainly

432
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whoever

433
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source of the report is they clearly

434
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were um you know intrigued by it enough

435
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that the thought they needed to pass it

436
00:15:30,949 --> 00:15:29,199
on yeah so you know that that

437
00:15:33,350 --> 00:15:30,959
information has been you know been sent

438
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through um probably quite

439
00:15:36,629 --> 00:15:34,959
maybe a great risk to the person

440
00:15:38,230 --> 00:15:36,639
originally who who got that from you

441
00:15:41,110 --> 00:15:38,240
know those details

442
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and then passed it on but yeah

443
00:15:45,670 --> 00:15:44,399
so there you go what else we've got here

444
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let's go number three we've got number

445
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so this one's 9th of march 1960 and it

446
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says rumored it's got there rumored

447
00:16:01,189 --> 00:15:58,880
flying object in in the barry osek

448
00:16:02,790 --> 00:16:01,199
region oh my god that's that yeah oh

449
00:16:04,389 --> 00:16:02,800
well yeah

450
00:16:07,030 --> 00:16:04,399
according to it

451
00:16:09,590 --> 00:16:07,040
according to a rumor in bhagavad-gita in

452
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1959 and glittering objects sorry

453
00:16:15,269 --> 00:16:12,079
glittering objects flying at high speed

454
00:16:17,030 --> 00:16:15,279
and accompanied by explosive sounds had

455
00:16:19,189 --> 00:16:17,040
frequently been observed in the desert

456
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region west of the town it was believed

457
00:16:25,590 --> 00:16:22,720
that many um that many um kazakhs and

458
00:16:27,670 --> 00:16:25,600
tajiks had left the area out of uh

459
00:16:29,350 --> 00:16:27,680
superstitious fear of those flying

460
00:16:30,550 --> 00:16:29,360
objects so they were the local uh the

461
00:16:33,350 --> 00:16:30,560
locals from

462
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uh tajikistan and kazakhstan uh so they

463
00:16:37,910 --> 00:16:34,720
were like the you know the the southern

464
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republics of the um ussr at that time so

465
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clearly a lot of people were quite

466
00:16:42,710 --> 00:16:40,560
superstitious we're seeing these things

467
00:16:45,189 --> 00:16:42,720
flying through the sky and making these

468
00:16:46,150 --> 00:16:45,199
accompanying sounds right which is kind

469
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of a

470
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and all that stuff that's

471
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pretty rare to get it because they're

472
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mostly silent right but

473
00:17:00,870 --> 00:16:59,360
again it was an intriguing report and

474
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there were flying objects that couldn't

475
00:17:04,949 --> 00:17:02,560
be identified so

476
00:17:07,110 --> 00:17:04,959
you know they come up in searches of cia

477
00:17:10,230 --> 00:17:07,120
documents as a ufo you've been

478
00:17:13,189 --> 00:17:10,240
investigating yeah

479
00:17:15,669 --> 00:17:13,199
totally but also they could have equally

480
00:17:17,350 --> 00:17:15,679
well silver that's an odd color for a

481
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meteor like a fireball because they're

482
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actually green because of the other

483
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substance that burns up um the last one

484
00:17:24,789 --> 00:17:23,199
i saw from actually it was only a couple

485
00:17:26,710 --> 00:17:24,799
of miles south of where i live uh in

486
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northumberland it was a big green

487
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fireball one night with sword fly over

488
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the car here

489
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my wife and i were in the car driving

490
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home one night we're only a couple of

491
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miles from home um and we saw this thing

492
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just fly over ahead and just shoot off

493
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in the distance and it was like wow

494
00:17:51,510 --> 00:17:48,720
was there any blue to it or was it just

495
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green mostly green see

496
00:17:56,950 --> 00:17:54,960
said um if i if he could change it he

497
00:17:59,190 --> 00:17:56,960
would go back and call it a green blue

498
00:18:00,630 --> 00:17:59,200
fireball whatever that means because

499
00:18:02,710 --> 00:18:00,640
yeah it'll it'll come down to the

500
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composition of the you know whatever's

501
00:18:07,669 --> 00:18:03,600
in the

502
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how it burns i think that's how they

503
00:18:10,549 --> 00:18:09,200
would i think that's how that works i

504
00:18:22,150 --> 00:18:10,559
might be wrong on that but i'm pretty

505
00:18:28,789 --> 00:18:25,510
i appreciate it very much um for that so

506
00:18:30,870 --> 00:18:28,799
when we wrap up this we can get into um

507
00:18:33,190 --> 00:18:30,880
stuff you know current events kind of

508
00:18:35,190 --> 00:18:33,200
thing about that yeah right i appreciate

509
00:18:37,830 --> 00:18:35,200
it

510
00:18:40,710 --> 00:18:37,840
so here's a here's an odd tale antarctic

511
00:18:42,710 --> 00:18:40,720
flying saucers

512
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i think i've seen this one actually you

513
00:18:46,230 --> 00:18:44,640
may well have yeah now this is actually

514
00:18:47,750 --> 00:18:46,240
deception island

515
00:18:50,470 --> 00:18:47,760
yeah which is down in the antarctic

516
00:18:52,390 --> 00:18:50,480
peninsula and this is 1965.

517
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so and it says a group of red green and

518
00:18:56,549 --> 00:18:54,320
yellow flying sources and it mentions

519
00:18:58,470 --> 00:18:56,559
flying sources have been seen flying

520
00:19:01,350 --> 00:18:58,480
over deception island for two hours by

521
00:19:02,070 --> 00:19:01,360
argentine uh chilean and british bases

522
00:19:07,510 --> 00:19:02,080
in

523
00:19:10,549 --> 00:19:07,520
orkney islands they're slightly to the

524
00:19:12,549 --> 00:19:10,559
north of um of antarctica between um

525
00:19:14,870 --> 00:19:12,559
antarctica and the falkland islands uh

526
00:19:16,150 --> 00:19:14,880
in quick circles okay and then you've

527
00:19:17,990 --> 00:19:16,160
got the you know they've got where the

528
00:19:20,310 --> 00:19:18,000
information came from now here's where

529
00:19:21,990 --> 00:19:20,320
we're getting into the realms of um a

530
00:19:23,430 --> 00:19:22,000
lot of information but actually if you

531
00:19:24,950 --> 00:19:23,440
see the reports

532
00:19:26,549 --> 00:19:24,960
where they're lifting this information

533
00:19:28,630 --> 00:19:26,559
from they're getting it from other

534
00:19:29,669 --> 00:19:28,640
sources so it's not information that

535
00:19:31,750 --> 00:19:29,679
they've actually gone out and found

536
00:19:33,669 --> 00:19:31,760
themselves that's come from juan saris

537
00:19:35,270 --> 00:19:33,679
and it's come from a possibly like a

538
00:19:36,549 --> 00:19:35,280
kind of local newspaper or some other

539
00:19:38,870 --> 00:19:36,559
source like that that's all right it's

540
00:19:40,549 --> 00:19:38,880
fine um so that that's you know that's

541
00:19:42,070 --> 00:19:40,559
where that information has come from and

542
00:19:43,990 --> 00:19:42,080
of course you've got the you've got

543
00:19:45,669 --> 00:19:44,000
actually got the references and the

544
00:19:47,430 --> 00:19:45,679
dates of where this information has been

545
00:19:48,230 --> 00:19:47,440
pulled from so they're always looking

546
00:19:51,110 --> 00:19:48,240
for

547
00:19:52,549 --> 00:19:51,120
um just details of strange stuff around

548
00:19:53,990 --> 00:19:52,559
the world because

549
00:19:56,549 --> 00:19:54,000
they're never entirely sure whether

550
00:19:58,549 --> 00:19:56,559
these things are terrestrial based um

551
00:20:01,350 --> 00:19:58,559
you know have a kind of prosaic um kind

552
00:20:03,909 --> 00:20:01,360
of military um you know or intelligence

553
00:20:05,750 --> 00:20:03,919
kind of benefit uh the information so

554
00:20:08,149 --> 00:20:05,760
you know they're also and that of course

555
00:20:10,470 --> 00:20:08,159
this isn't just that report if you look

556
00:20:12,390 --> 00:20:10,480
at the other reports there it's come in

557
00:20:13,510 --> 00:20:12,400
a big data dump with a whole load of

558
00:20:15,430 --> 00:20:13,520
other stuff so you've got a story there

559
00:20:17,029 --> 00:20:15,440
about the argentinian foreign ministry

560
00:20:20,230 --> 00:20:17,039
you've got stuff about something else

561
00:20:21,350 --> 00:20:20,240
about um uh purchases of crude oil and

562
00:20:23,590 --> 00:20:21,360
then you've got a whole lot of stuff

563
00:20:24,390 --> 00:20:23,600
about uh meat packing so all that it's

564
00:20:32,470 --> 00:20:24,400
all

565
00:20:35,110 --> 00:20:32,480
ufos so you find a lot of documents in

566
00:20:37,029 --> 00:20:35,120
this archives which are basically um

567
00:20:39,669 --> 00:20:37,039
dump some information from local media

568
00:20:41,669 --> 00:20:39,679
sources or local intelligence sources

569
00:20:43,350 --> 00:20:41,679
and these just happen to be in the round

570
00:20:44,549 --> 00:20:43,360
you know they're just included

571
00:20:47,430 --> 00:20:44,559
wow

572
00:20:49,270 --> 00:20:47,440
yeah and it's funny because if you are

573
00:20:51,590 --> 00:20:49,280
like looking into this to see if they

574
00:20:56,549 --> 00:20:51,600
were investigating and they put these

575
00:21:00,390 --> 00:20:58,549
yeah that's it and sometimes you see

576
00:21:02,070 --> 00:21:00,400
these things in isolation on people's

577
00:21:04,390 --> 00:21:02,080
websites because they're trying to

578
00:21:05,909 --> 00:21:04,400
justify a certain narrative and the last

579
00:21:08,149 --> 00:21:05,919
document that we come to i'll explain

580
00:21:09,590 --> 00:21:08,159
how that fits into things and it's

581
00:21:11,350 --> 00:21:09,600
actually germaine to the book i've just

582
00:21:13,270 --> 00:21:11,360
written as well but we'll get to it in a

583
00:21:16,149 --> 00:21:13,280
minute um so yeah that's that's an

584
00:21:17,590 --> 00:21:16,159
interesting one um in terms of um you

585
00:21:19,909 --> 00:21:17,600
know antarctic flying sources i mean

586
00:21:22,070 --> 00:21:19,919
that would make my my my you know going

587
00:21:26,310 --> 00:21:22,080
oh oh i think yeah

588
00:21:30,390 --> 00:21:28,950
yeah so we've got um a report on

589
00:21:33,430 --> 00:21:30,400
conversations

590
00:21:36,710 --> 00:21:33,440
with uh soviet scientists on the subject

591
00:21:38,870 --> 00:21:36,720
of uh unidentified flying objects so

592
00:21:40,630 --> 00:21:38,880
again this is 1967 so we're getting a

593
00:21:41,909 --> 00:21:40,640
little bit more up-to-date so this is

594
00:21:45,990 --> 00:21:41,919
quite interesting

595
00:21:49,430 --> 00:21:46,000
and in terms of ufos in the ussr now

596
00:21:51,830 --> 00:21:49,440
you know again it's more case of the cia

597
00:21:53,190 --> 00:21:51,840
looking at what's going on inside russia

598
00:21:54,710 --> 00:21:53,200
because again you know getting

599
00:21:55,990 --> 00:21:54,720
information out there wasn't the easiest

600
00:21:57,669 --> 00:21:56,000
i mean they could get information out

601
00:21:59,430 --> 00:21:57,679
from different methods but anything they

602
00:22:01,190 --> 00:21:59,440
could get their hands on they would look

603
00:22:03,590 --> 00:22:01,200
at you know so it wasn't just cause oh

604
00:22:04,870 --> 00:22:03,600
this is on ufos it's just because it was

605
00:22:06,789 --> 00:22:04,880
along with probably a whole lot of other

606
00:22:08,149 --> 00:22:06,799
things as well and then of course you've

607
00:22:10,549 --> 00:22:08,159
got the usual things where the sources

608
00:22:12,149 --> 00:22:10,559
get blacked out uh the first the first

609
00:22:13,909 --> 00:22:12,159
bullet point the whole paragraph being

610
00:22:16,310 --> 00:22:13,919
blacked out for whatever reason

611
00:22:18,070 --> 00:22:16,320
it's probably about the same

612
00:22:20,870 --> 00:22:18,080
well quite i was going to you've got the

613
00:22:22,950 --> 00:22:20,880
words right out of my mouth there sure

614
00:22:25,669 --> 00:22:22,960
it's probably really but smarties

615
00:22:27,029 --> 00:22:25,679
yeah it'll be with a crash or something

616
00:22:28,950 --> 00:22:27,039
it's more likely to deal with how they

617
00:22:31,110 --> 00:22:28,960
got the information and who met

618
00:22:32,230 --> 00:22:31,120
uh who they were who shot the scientists

619
00:22:33,990 --> 00:22:32,240
these were

620
00:22:36,070 --> 00:22:34,000
um because you meant because they

621
00:22:37,750 --> 00:22:36,080
started saying he and all the rest of it

622
00:22:40,070 --> 00:22:37,760
he visited and then he's got a place

623
00:22:41,830 --> 00:22:40,080
name or some kind of research center or

624
00:22:43,430 --> 00:22:41,840
you know or a lab whatever it is it's

625
00:22:46,470 --> 00:22:43,440
been blacked out

626
00:22:49,909 --> 00:22:46,480
um who was um

627
00:22:51,510 --> 00:22:49,919
was a uh non-com non uh um comment

628
00:22:53,750 --> 00:22:51,520
committal sorry that's what it says yeah

629
00:22:55,909 --> 00:22:53,760
non-committal on the subject ufos so

630
00:22:57,669 --> 00:22:55,919
he's visited somebody at somewhere who

631
00:22:59,990 --> 00:22:57,679
was who you know just didn't believe you

632
00:23:01,830 --> 00:23:00,000
about ufos the scientist who served as a

633
00:23:03,750 --> 00:23:01,840
translator a radio astronomer

634
00:23:05,909 --> 00:23:03,760
emphatically um

635
00:23:08,789 --> 00:23:05,919
stated that he knew of no sightings of

636
00:23:10,470 --> 00:23:08,799
ufos in the usr at the ussr and added

637
00:23:14,549 --> 00:23:10,480
with a laugh that if they were only in

638
00:23:17,029 --> 00:23:14,559
the u.s they must be a soviet origin

639
00:23:18,149 --> 00:23:17,039
so it's a yeah so that was the whole

640
00:23:19,590 --> 00:23:18,159
thing about

641
00:23:21,510 --> 00:23:19,600
there's some kind of this thing kind of

642
00:23:23,830 --> 00:23:21,520
psychological op by the americans just

643
00:23:24,950 --> 00:23:23,840
to like wind us up yeah because that was

644
00:23:27,190 --> 00:23:24,960
that was one of some of the russian

645
00:23:29,029 --> 00:23:27,200
thinking was at some stage but of course

646
00:23:31,029 --> 00:23:29,039
we know better the russians did see

647
00:23:33,270 --> 00:23:31,039
their their own ufos

648
00:23:35,270 --> 00:23:33,280
but clearly that was a party line

649
00:23:37,350 --> 00:23:35,280
um so it was interesting you know the

650
00:23:38,470 --> 00:23:37,360
document to say well some people clearly

651
00:23:39,669 --> 00:23:38,480
didn't think they were right but some

652
00:23:41,750 --> 00:23:39,679
people were

653
00:23:43,830 --> 00:23:41,760
were still investigating them in russia

654
00:23:44,950 --> 00:23:43,840
um so yeah it goes on to a bit more i'm

655
00:23:46,870 --> 00:23:44,960
not going to read it all out but it goes

656
00:23:48,950 --> 00:23:46,880
out with a lot more detail about

657
00:23:50,549 --> 00:23:48,960
sightings were not printed in soviet

658
00:23:52,549 --> 00:23:50,559
newspapers because they're not regarded

659
00:23:54,070 --> 00:23:52,559
as scientific observations

660
00:23:55,190 --> 00:23:54,080
that's that's listed there that's

661
00:23:58,310 --> 00:23:55,200
further down

662
00:23:59,110 --> 00:23:58,320
um but it also mentions that

663
00:24:01,110 --> 00:23:59,120
um

664
00:24:03,510 --> 00:24:01,120
they do they did have fantastic reports

665
00:24:05,909 --> 00:24:03,520
of hypothesis and observations inverted

666
00:24:07,990 --> 00:24:05,919
commas which was suggested by what they

667
00:24:09,590 --> 00:24:08,000
say the more imaginative members of the

668
00:24:11,269 --> 00:24:09,600
scientific community

669
00:24:12,310 --> 00:24:11,279
but they needed official sanction before

670
00:24:14,390 --> 00:24:12,320
they could actually have these things in

671
00:24:16,070 --> 00:24:14,400
print like a lot of things in russia so

672
00:24:17,350 --> 00:24:16,080
you know it's um

673
00:24:19,590 --> 00:24:17,360
it's quite it's quite fun actually

674
00:24:21,830 --> 00:24:19,600
reading you know their their viewpoint

675
00:24:23,750 --> 00:24:21,840
or the official viewpoint at the time

676
00:24:25,909 --> 00:24:23,760
and what people know in reality you know

677
00:24:27,669 --> 00:24:25,919
so but again this is this is information

678
00:24:28,710 --> 00:24:27,679
that's come through at the cia and

679
00:24:30,710 --> 00:24:28,720
they've just passed it on you know

680
00:24:32,149 --> 00:24:30,720
they've taken note of it uh they found

681
00:24:34,230 --> 00:24:32,159
the way or they've passed it to somebody

682
00:24:35,990 --> 00:24:34,240
else for some kind of analysis yeah but

683
00:24:38,230 --> 00:24:36,000
it doesn't actually mean that they were

684
00:24:40,710 --> 00:24:38,240
actually asking somebody can you find

685
00:24:42,149 --> 00:24:40,720
out what the russians know about ufos

686
00:24:43,909 --> 00:24:42,159
right that's a debate that's another

687
00:24:45,990 --> 00:24:43,919
debate entirely whether that happen or

688
00:24:47,750 --> 00:24:46,000
not but this isn't necessarily proof of

689
00:24:49,909 --> 00:24:47,760
that this is just somebody relating

690
00:24:51,990 --> 00:24:49,919
information to them if they were to find

691
00:24:54,549 --> 00:24:52,000
out about russians and ufos they would

692
00:24:57,669 --> 00:24:54,559
probably have found out through their

693
00:24:59,909 --> 00:24:57,679
espionage on their tech you know you

694
00:25:01,269 --> 00:24:59,919
would like to think so yes yeah you know

695
00:25:01,990 --> 00:25:01,279
yeah you would you would love to think

696
00:25:04,950 --> 00:25:02,000
so

697
00:25:06,870 --> 00:25:04,960
um all right maybe they have yeah maybe

698
00:25:08,390 --> 00:25:06,880
we got one more here i think or two more

699
00:25:10,310 --> 00:25:08,400
okay

700
00:25:13,190 --> 00:25:10,320
yep two well let's run through this

701
00:25:14,390 --> 00:25:13,200
flight disc section the tucson mystery

702
00:25:16,710 --> 00:25:14,400
drone

703
00:25:18,470 --> 00:25:16,720
okay yeah not not too much longer ago so

704
00:25:21,350 --> 00:25:18,480
i'm sorry if i'm boring everybody

705
00:25:23,510 --> 00:25:21,360
no i'm not seeing it because of that

706
00:25:25,110 --> 00:25:23,520
i'm saying

707
00:25:27,110 --> 00:25:25,120
it is interesting

708
00:25:29,350 --> 00:25:27,120
yeah so we've got two here about german

709
00:25:31,269 --> 00:25:29,360
scientists well one german site is one

710
00:25:34,149 --> 00:25:31,279
german so-called expert the first one's

711
00:25:36,789 --> 00:25:34,159
about its subject is german scientists

712
00:25:39,029 --> 00:25:36,799
article on flying disks

713
00:25:40,870 --> 00:25:39,039
so this was july 1950 so we're going

714
00:25:43,029 --> 00:25:40,880
actually we've gone back a bit again

715
00:25:47,269 --> 00:25:43,039
yeah um and we've got a

716
00:25:49,350 --> 00:25:47,279
dr edward ludwig uh who published um an

717
00:25:51,990 --> 00:25:49,360
article submitted in a german language

718
00:25:53,830 --> 00:25:52,000
uh news uh magazine called condole which

719
00:25:55,750 --> 00:25:53,840
was published in chile funnily from all

720
00:25:57,110 --> 00:25:55,760
places there's a lot of germans ended up

721
00:25:58,950 --> 00:25:57,120
in south america after the wars you're

722
00:26:01,110 --> 00:25:58,960
probably well known um and this this

723
00:26:03,029 --> 00:26:01,120
article is called um the mystery of the

724
00:26:04,470 --> 00:26:03,039
flying discs and this scientist

725
00:26:06,470 --> 00:26:04,480
basically tried to talk about what was

726
00:26:07,750 --> 00:26:06,480
called the boundary layer which the the

727
00:26:10,230 --> 00:26:07,760
germans were trying to investigate the

728
00:26:11,830 --> 00:26:10,240
end of the second world war about how to

729
00:26:14,789 --> 00:26:11,840
build a much more efficient wing for

730
00:26:17,430 --> 00:26:14,799
aircraft in terms of the air flow over a

731
00:26:20,070 --> 00:26:17,440
wing uh like sucking it into little kind

732
00:26:22,149 --> 00:26:20,080
of slots along the edge the leading edge

733
00:26:25,830 --> 00:26:22,159
of a wing to make it more aerodynamic

734
00:26:27,669 --> 00:26:25,840
and more efficient um and anyway so this

735
00:26:29,430 --> 00:26:27,679
this kind of like this whole thrust of

736
00:26:30,870 --> 00:26:29,440
this article is to do with that and how

737
00:26:33,269 --> 00:26:30,880
they might be able to build a flying

738
00:26:35,590 --> 00:26:33,279
saucer using this particular type of um

739
00:26:38,549 --> 00:26:35,600
this type of sort of aerodynamic uh

740
00:26:41,029 --> 00:26:38,559
airflow um so again

741
00:26:43,350 --> 00:26:41,039
i got you like the um canada effect

742
00:26:44,470 --> 00:26:43,360
thing or something yes it's a quandary

743
00:26:45,990 --> 00:26:44,480
effect that's what they're talking about

744
00:26:48,149 --> 00:26:46,000
that's right yeah and it does actually

745
00:26:49,430 --> 00:26:48,159
mention somewhere on there about that

746
00:26:50,789 --> 00:26:49,440
it's not necessarily on this document

747
00:26:53,430 --> 00:26:50,799
but the actual article itself does

748
00:26:55,830 --> 00:26:53,440
mention it um so again we've got the you

749
00:26:57,430 --> 00:26:55,840
know we've got the words flying discs

750
00:26:59,029 --> 00:26:57,440
yeah of course that that that makes

751
00:27:01,510 --> 00:26:59,039
people light up you know when you read

752
00:27:03,510 --> 00:27:01,520
that but it's really more persuac

753
00:27:05,350 --> 00:27:03,520
because it's all all it is is some

754
00:27:07,590 --> 00:27:05,360
german scientist who knows a bit about

755
00:27:08,950 --> 00:27:07,600
aerodynamics saying well i might have

756
00:27:10,789 --> 00:27:08,960
some kind of information as well you

757
00:27:13,029 --> 00:27:10,799
might be able to build one yourself you

758
00:27:14,950 --> 00:27:13,039
know and of course there is a big big

759
00:27:17,190 --> 00:27:14,960
kind of like debate uh in certain

760
00:27:19,029 --> 00:27:17,200
sections some sections of ufology about

761
00:27:21,269 --> 00:27:19,039
whether the ally or the americans and

762
00:27:23,830 --> 00:27:21,279
the canadians did actually build you

763
00:27:25,750 --> 00:27:23,840
know kind of flying discs after the war

764
00:27:28,230 --> 00:27:25,760
um you know like the avrocar and some

765
00:27:30,310 --> 00:27:28,240
other you know esoteric kind of

766
00:27:32,070 --> 00:27:30,320
disc shaped objects you know i found

767
00:27:35,029 --> 00:27:32,080
that they actually were still pursuing

768
00:27:37,269 --> 00:27:35,039
the kanada effect after the debunked

769
00:27:38,710 --> 00:27:37,279
avro car so that's pretty interesting

770
00:27:41,190 --> 00:27:38,720
but i don't think they wound up using

771
00:27:44,710 --> 00:27:41,200
that engine they wound up doing like uh

772
00:27:46,549 --> 00:27:44,720
no those radio rope engines or something

773
00:27:48,950 --> 00:27:46,559
and certainly not for disc shaped

774
00:27:50,950 --> 00:27:48,960
machines but certain aircraft have taken

775
00:27:52,950 --> 00:27:50,960
advantage of that kind of you know

776
00:27:54,549 --> 00:27:52,960
airflow uh there's a couple of russian

777
00:27:57,190 --> 00:27:54,559
types called the ant north 72 and

778
00:28:00,470 --> 00:27:57,200
they're not 74. they have they put their

779
00:28:02,549 --> 00:28:00,480
engines above the wings um and and that

780
00:28:05,269 --> 00:28:02,559
was to like try and take advantage of a

781
00:28:06,470 --> 00:28:05,279
certain part of that effect um so you

782
00:28:08,630 --> 00:28:06,480
know if you ever read about those

783
00:28:10,389 --> 00:28:08,640
particular aircraft then that's that's

784
00:28:11,269 --> 00:28:10,399
what that's why that aircraft looks like

785
00:28:13,669 --> 00:28:11,279
that

786
00:28:16,870 --> 00:28:13,679
so yeah effect sounds like a nice

787
00:28:18,950 --> 00:28:16,880
tropical drink right it's a it's either

788
00:28:24,710 --> 00:28:18,960
um a tropical drink or one of those 19

789
00:28:31,350 --> 00:28:28,149
there is bill given the canada yeah

790
00:28:34,149 --> 00:28:31,360
so the last one um is it's quite

791
00:28:36,310 --> 00:28:34,159
intriguing because there's a whole

792
00:28:38,470 --> 00:28:36,320
sort of thing i've unfolded there and

793
00:28:41,430 --> 00:28:38,480
maybe put it up there i don't quite see

794
00:28:43,909 --> 00:28:41,440
yeah so this is all to do with a guy who

795
00:28:45,350 --> 00:28:43,919
was called george cline and allegedly

796
00:28:47,350 --> 00:28:45,360
and i'm going to start using the word

797
00:28:49,510 --> 00:28:47,360
allegedly about every five words here

798
00:28:50,549 --> 00:28:49,520
sure because none of it has ever been

799
00:28:53,190 --> 00:28:50,559
proved

800
00:28:55,110 --> 00:28:53,200
and this is the only document that there

801
00:28:56,630 --> 00:28:55,120
is to do with this guy apart from a

802
00:28:58,549 --> 00:28:56,640
newspaper report which came out about

803
00:29:00,789 --> 00:28:58,559
the same time actually in 1950 december

804
00:29:02,070 --> 00:29:00,799
1953 and this is the whole thrust of

805
00:29:03,990 --> 00:29:02,080
this document

806
00:29:05,909 --> 00:29:04,000
but a lot of people who believe that the

807
00:29:08,070 --> 00:29:05,919
germans built flying discs during world

808
00:29:09,830 --> 00:29:08,080
war ii and that's why

809
00:29:11,669 --> 00:29:09,840
like you know you saw them in america in

810
00:29:12,470 --> 00:29:11,679
the late 40s because that's really what

811
00:29:14,149 --> 00:29:12,480
they were

812
00:29:15,510 --> 00:29:14,159
there's a whole thrust of ufology that

813
00:29:16,710 --> 00:29:15,520
goes down that line and believes it

814
00:29:18,870 --> 00:29:16,720
implicitly

815
00:29:20,230 --> 00:29:18,880
and the whole this legend that's built

816
00:29:23,029 --> 00:29:20,240
up around it

817
00:29:25,029 --> 00:29:23,039
uh has this guy at the heart of it and

818
00:29:27,750 --> 00:29:25,039
he was supposed to have worked for

819
00:29:29,510 --> 00:29:27,760
albert sphere's um uh technical ministry

820
00:29:32,389 --> 00:29:29,520
that the war um you know the war

821
00:29:34,230 --> 00:29:32,399
ministry building um like tanks guns all

822
00:29:36,549 --> 00:29:34,240
the rest of it the the armaments kind of

823
00:29:38,470 --> 00:29:36,559
stuff in germany in world war ii and

824
00:29:41,029 --> 00:29:38,480
supposed to be an inspector and he

825
00:29:43,830 --> 00:29:41,039
supposed and i keep saying allegedly

826
00:29:45,830 --> 00:29:43,840
witness to some of the projects and even

827
00:29:48,310 --> 00:29:45,840
the test flight of one of these devices

828
00:29:50,549 --> 00:29:48,320
in february 1945

829
00:29:51,750 --> 00:29:50,559
but this is the only

830
00:29:53,190 --> 00:29:51,760
document

831
00:29:56,070 --> 00:29:53,200
that you'll find in any official

832
00:29:57,590 --> 00:29:56,080
archives and it's literally the cia

833
00:30:00,789 --> 00:29:57,600
finding

834
00:30:01,750 --> 00:30:00,799
note of him in a newspaper yeah

835
00:30:04,070 --> 00:30:01,760
and it was

836
00:30:05,269 --> 00:30:04,080
and then it says

837
00:30:06,230 --> 00:30:05,279
well it did

838
00:30:08,389 --> 00:30:06,240
because

839
00:30:09,830 --> 00:30:08,399
his name popped up in a book that was

840
00:30:11,590 --> 00:30:09,840
published about three years later by a

841
00:30:13,510 --> 00:30:11,600
german who was talking about secret

842
00:30:15,110 --> 00:30:13,520
weapons jet fighters missiles all that

843
00:30:16,310 --> 00:30:15,120
kind of stuff but he also mentioned the

844
00:30:17,990 --> 00:30:16,320
discs

845
00:30:19,909 --> 00:30:18,000
and those couple of there's only two

846
00:30:22,149 --> 00:30:19,919
pages in this book but those couple of

847
00:30:23,029 --> 00:30:22,159
pages in the discs set this whole thing

848
00:30:25,029 --> 00:30:23,039
running

849
00:30:26,870 --> 00:30:25,039
uh because people thought that the

850
00:30:27,830 --> 00:30:26,880
germans therefore had developed these

851
00:30:29,990 --> 00:30:27,840
and you've got the names of the

852
00:30:33,110 --> 00:30:30,000
designers there you've got hamamol never

853
00:30:42,870 --> 00:30:33,120
existed because shriver he claimed

854
00:30:47,430 --> 00:30:44,950
but he crops up in all these documents

855
00:30:50,230 --> 00:30:47,440
in all these kind of stories about these

856
00:30:52,310 --> 00:30:50,240
german flying discs shriver did exist

857
00:30:53,590 --> 00:30:52,320
but all he did was he he he basically

858
00:30:55,350 --> 00:30:53,600
gives some interviews from some german

859
00:30:57,269 --> 00:30:55,360
newspapers and said i developed german

860
00:30:59,909 --> 00:30:57,279
discs during the war and that's all he

861
00:31:01,669 --> 00:30:59,919
said and he had some kind of um fanciful

862
00:31:02,710 --> 00:31:01,679
ideas about how they might have worked

863
00:31:05,029 --> 00:31:02,720
but he didn't really give too much

864
00:31:07,430 --> 00:31:05,039
detail he said he'd drawn up plans but

865
00:31:09,029 --> 00:31:07,440
they got stolen at the end of the war uh

866
00:31:10,310 --> 00:31:09,039
he kept saying well maybe the russians

867
00:31:12,149 --> 00:31:10,320
had them i'm not entirely sure because

868
00:31:14,549 --> 00:31:12,159
i've fled prague before the russians

869
00:31:16,310 --> 00:31:14,559
invaded and there's another guy called

870
00:31:19,750 --> 00:31:16,320
mitha who allegedly worked on the v2

871
00:31:21,430 --> 00:31:19,760
rocket he also supposedly had um built

872
00:31:23,190 --> 00:31:21,440
uh flying discs

873
00:31:25,830 --> 00:31:23,200
there uh he gave an interview to

874
00:31:28,230 --> 00:31:25,840
francois magazine in 1952 saying that

875
00:31:29,990 --> 00:31:28,240
he'd done that that's the only proof

876
00:31:32,149 --> 00:31:30,000
that you've got of him ever doing that

877
00:31:33,669 --> 00:31:32,159
right um but george klein apparently

878
00:31:35,830 --> 00:31:33,679
gave an interview to a german newspaper

879
00:31:38,149 --> 00:31:35,840
in 1953 saying that mithra had built

880
00:31:39,750 --> 00:31:38,159
them habermaul had built them and uh

881
00:31:41,590 --> 00:31:39,760
shriver had built them so you've got

882
00:31:43,269 --> 00:31:41,600
three separate competing people building

883
00:31:45,110 --> 00:31:43,279
flying discs some of them apparently

884
00:31:46,870 --> 00:31:45,120
collaborate with each other and then of

885
00:31:48,470 --> 00:31:46,880
course this german this german author

886
00:31:49,590 --> 00:31:48,480
about three years later then says right

887
00:31:51,029 --> 00:31:49,600
i'm going to write a book about german

888
00:31:52,950 --> 00:31:51,039
serial weapons from the wall and he

889
00:31:55,430 --> 00:31:52,960
includes these things in it

890
00:31:58,310 --> 00:31:55,440
and and it's all based on

891
00:32:01,590 --> 00:31:58,320
declines article in a newspaper it's all

892
00:32:04,389 --> 00:32:01,600
based on mytha and tr strivers magazine

893
00:32:06,070 --> 00:32:04,399
are like newspaper articles as well i go

894
00:32:08,149 --> 00:32:06,080
into it in about in a good chapter in my

895
00:32:09,909 --> 00:32:08,159
book about how this all pans out it's

896
00:32:11,509 --> 00:32:09,919
quite an elaborate story and it's

897
00:32:13,430 --> 00:32:11,519
actually quite interesting because it

898
00:32:14,870 --> 00:32:13,440
shows how some people can be taken in by

899
00:32:18,230 --> 00:32:14,880
certain things that don't make any sense

900
00:32:20,149 --> 00:32:18,240
whatsoever um but this story has

901
00:32:21,750 --> 00:32:20,159
propagated through so many different

902
00:32:23,269 --> 00:32:21,760
other books and websites and people have

903
00:32:26,310 --> 00:32:23,279
just picked it up because they think

904
00:32:28,789 --> 00:32:26,320
it's true because the cia mentioned it

905
00:32:31,909 --> 00:32:28,799
in 1954 and it's an and it's an answer

906
00:32:34,310 --> 00:32:31,919
that's not uh you know um aliens or

907
00:32:36,630 --> 00:32:34,320
whatever right so no i feel like going

908
00:32:39,269 --> 00:32:36,640
through this stuff you can tell a lot

909
00:32:41,750 --> 00:32:39,279
like there's some instances where people

910
00:32:44,310 --> 00:32:41,760
are just almost kind of scrambling to

911
00:32:46,950 --> 00:32:44,320
say no it's that's them or us or

912
00:32:48,950 --> 00:32:46,960
whatever like that i found a note an

913
00:32:51,509 --> 00:32:48,960
anonymous note to the chicago newspaper

914
00:32:53,190 --> 00:32:51,519
about a guy who said that um

915
00:32:55,350 --> 00:32:53,200
glenn martin was making the flying

916
00:32:56,950 --> 00:32:55,360
saucers right you know so there's stuff

917
00:32:58,310 --> 00:32:56,960
all over the place yeah there was a lot

918
00:32:59,830 --> 00:32:58,320
of stuff like that going on in the late

919
00:33:01,909 --> 00:32:59,840
40s early 50s

920
00:33:04,470 --> 00:33:01,919
i mean even when the flying discs

921
00:33:06,389 --> 00:33:04,480
started in 1947 they weren't entirely

922
00:33:07,350 --> 00:33:06,399
convinced they were aliens they were

923
00:33:08,470 --> 00:33:07,360
more

924
00:33:09,430 --> 00:33:08,480
sort of under the impression they were

925
00:33:11,110 --> 00:33:09,440
russian

926
00:33:13,269 --> 00:33:11,120
aided by german technic wartime

927
00:33:14,950 --> 00:33:13,279
technology but that's that was the kind

928
00:33:16,310 --> 00:33:14,960
of focus or they might have thought

929
00:33:18,310 --> 00:33:16,320
there was some kind of holdouts from the

930
00:33:19,430 --> 00:33:18,320
from the third reich but there were more

931
00:33:21,509 --> 00:33:19,440
sort of along the lines that they were

932
00:33:22,870 --> 00:33:21,519
russian because what else would they be

933
00:33:24,389 --> 00:33:22,880
it's like going back to the foo fighters

934
00:33:26,630 --> 00:33:24,399
in world war ii the allies thought they

935
00:33:28,470 --> 00:33:26,640
were german secret weapons so you had

936
00:33:30,950 --> 00:33:28,480
that kind of well

937
00:33:32,870 --> 00:33:30,960
okay it's not ours it must be theirs

938
00:33:34,230 --> 00:33:32,880
we're not thinking it's et you know that

939
00:33:35,909 --> 00:33:34,240
was that that was something from the

940
00:33:37,509 --> 00:33:35,919
pulp kind of comic books from the

941
00:33:39,509 --> 00:33:37,519
astounding science fiction kind of you

942
00:33:41,430 --> 00:33:39,519
know little pulp scenes it wasn't

943
00:33:43,750 --> 00:33:41,440
anything to do with you know the here

944
00:33:45,350 --> 00:33:43,760
and now and what was real i mean if they

945
00:33:47,029 --> 00:33:45,360
found it well again this is the

946
00:33:50,149 --> 00:33:47,039
controversy about roswell isn't it about

947
00:33:52,470 --> 00:33:50,159
finding a crash and and possibly bodies

948
00:33:54,789 --> 00:33:52,480
if that is true then obviously yes they

949
00:33:55,909 --> 00:33:54,799
had an idea but the public face of all

950
00:33:57,590 --> 00:33:55,919
this and all the stuff that you've seen

951
00:33:59,990 --> 00:33:57,600
a lot of documents that we've been able

952
00:34:01,509 --> 00:34:00,000
to find over the years goes along the

953
00:34:02,950 --> 00:34:01,519
lines of they were looking for a russian

954
00:34:05,430 --> 00:34:02,960
explanation

955
00:34:06,950 --> 00:34:05,440
um you know i found um i found documents

956
00:34:09,030 --> 00:34:06,960
like that which i've included in my book

957
00:34:10,790 --> 00:34:09,040
as well so i think it was yesterday we

958
00:34:13,829 --> 00:34:10,800
were doing the dr lapaz thing or

959
00:34:15,669 --> 00:34:13,839
whatever and um like there was a little

960
00:34:17,109 --> 00:34:15,679
interchange of conversation between him

961
00:34:18,629 --> 00:34:17,119
and somebody else i forget the name

962
00:34:21,270 --> 00:34:18,639
teller or something like that yeah

963
00:34:22,470 --> 00:34:21,280
edward teller yeah and they're talking

964
00:34:24,310 --> 00:34:22,480
and

965
00:34:27,030 --> 00:34:24,320
the teller guy basically told him it's

966
00:34:28,710 --> 00:34:27,040
like hey look we want you to find a

967
00:34:29,829 --> 00:34:28,720
meteorite

968
00:34:32,629 --> 00:34:29,839
you know

969
00:34:34,629 --> 00:34:32,639
like well it makes it go away doesn't it

970
00:34:36,790 --> 00:34:34,639
makes the whole story go away

971
00:34:39,589 --> 00:34:36,800
uh and he said he was just desperate to

972
00:34:42,389 --> 00:34:39,599
figure out why it didn't have a sound

973
00:34:44,230 --> 00:34:42,399
yeah that's just weird

974
00:34:45,990 --> 00:34:44,240
yeah well that was great graham i really

975
00:34:48,470 --> 00:34:46,000
appreciate that because i feel like

976
00:34:51,430 --> 00:34:48,480
especially um for myself when i'm

977
00:34:53,589 --> 00:34:51,440
digging into documents i often wonder

978
00:34:55,909 --> 00:34:53,599
especially about the newspaper

979
00:34:59,109 --> 00:34:55,919
clippings that you see in in these

980
00:35:00,470 --> 00:34:59,119
archives and if it means anything at all

981
00:35:02,150 --> 00:35:00,480
you know

982
00:35:03,750 --> 00:35:02,160
yeah so the newspaper clinton's

983
00:35:05,430 --> 00:35:03,760
themselves are obviously somebody's

984
00:35:08,069 --> 00:35:05,440
account of things that go on or

985
00:35:11,589 --> 00:35:08,079
reporting from other sources but when

986
00:35:13,589 --> 00:35:11,599
they end up in like the cia or the fbi

987
00:35:15,190 --> 00:35:13,599
um you know archives or other like

988
00:35:16,470 --> 00:35:15,200
intelligence agencies around the world

989
00:35:18,630 --> 00:35:16,480
you can't necessarily take them as

990
00:35:20,069 --> 00:35:18,640
gospel because they're just reporting on

991
00:35:22,069 --> 00:35:20,079
some on whatever somebody else has

992
00:35:24,230 --> 00:35:22,079
reported uh so it doesn't mean it's set

993
00:35:25,589 --> 00:35:24,240
in stone you can use it to build up a

994
00:35:28,470 --> 00:35:25,599
picture about what's going on in a

995
00:35:31,430 --> 00:35:28,480
particular area at a particular time

996
00:35:33,990 --> 00:35:31,440
to like hang your whole kind of you know

997
00:35:35,829 --> 00:35:34,000
narrative on oh that's why the germans

998
00:35:38,630 --> 00:35:35,839
built flying saucers

999
00:35:40,870 --> 00:35:38,640
because that guy who said he did ended

1000
00:35:42,550 --> 00:35:40,880
up in the cia archives well you know i

1001
00:35:44,230 --> 00:35:42,560
can point to a half a dozen different

1002
00:35:46,230 --> 00:35:44,240
websites where that's the whole first

1003
00:35:47,910 --> 00:35:46,240
letter argument about why the germans

1004
00:35:49,030 --> 00:35:47,920
built flying sources and why they're

1005
00:35:50,470 --> 00:35:49,040
still you know why these things are

1006
00:35:53,030 --> 00:35:50,480
still flying around today and you just

1007
00:35:55,430 --> 00:35:53,040
think well no it's not you know it's

1008
00:35:57,910 --> 00:35:55,440
it's just the cia getting a newspaper

1009
00:35:59,990 --> 00:35:57,920
report and passing on somebody else you

1010
00:36:01,510 --> 00:36:00,000
know that's all it was yeah

1011
00:36:02,630 --> 00:36:01,520
but actually these people don't do the

1012
00:36:04,310 --> 00:36:02,640
research because they don't look at the

1013
00:36:06,069 --> 00:36:04,320
original newspaper report either and

1014
00:36:07,829 --> 00:36:06,079
sees what it says it's actually in

1015
00:36:09,589 --> 00:36:07,839
german but i've looked at it and i've

1016
00:36:11,670 --> 00:36:09,599
translated it and it doesn't mean you

1017
00:36:13,910 --> 00:36:11,680
know it's just it's him just saying it's

1018
00:36:16,710 --> 00:36:13,920
this george klein saying oh yes i used

1019
00:36:18,710 --> 00:36:16,720
to work for alba spear and i i part of

1020
00:36:20,150 --> 00:36:18,720
my brief was i used to look up you know

1021
00:36:21,990 --> 00:36:20,160
look after the the secret weapons

1022
00:36:25,109 --> 00:36:22,000
programs including the flying discs and

1023
00:36:27,829 --> 00:36:25,119
i saw one fly and that's all he says

1024
00:36:29,589 --> 00:36:27,839
and who knows if i mean

1025
00:36:32,069 --> 00:36:29,599
it could have been the writer writer

1026
00:36:33,270 --> 00:36:32,079
trying to make his story better well

1027
00:36:34,870 --> 00:36:33,280
i'll tell you what because some of the

1028
00:36:36,870 --> 00:36:34,880
other things some of the things he says

1029
00:36:38,630 --> 00:36:36,880
in this article don't make sense because

1030
00:36:40,150 --> 00:36:38,640
i've looked into them fairly carefully

1031
00:36:42,230 --> 00:36:40,160
and i can shoot some of them down in

1032
00:36:45,109 --> 00:36:42,240
flames so which i have done actually in

1033
00:36:46,950 --> 00:36:45,119
the book so this is how i know you know

1034
00:36:48,710 --> 00:36:46,960
what he was saying was completely off

1035
00:36:50,710 --> 00:36:48,720
base his name doesn't appear anywhere

1036
00:36:53,109 --> 00:36:50,720
anyway in records nobody's been able to

1037
00:36:54,550 --> 00:36:53,119
trace him and the other and the other

1038
00:36:57,030 --> 00:36:54,560
people who have mentioned that document

1039
00:36:59,430 --> 00:36:57,040
about the designers they don't exist

1040
00:37:01,430 --> 00:36:59,440
either beyond these newspaper reports

1041
00:37:03,670 --> 00:37:01,440
and they're the one and basic

1042
00:37:05,190 --> 00:37:03,680
newspaper articles that they actually

1043
00:37:06,390 --> 00:37:05,200
you know just they're talking to a

1044
00:37:08,390 --> 00:37:06,400
reporter and that's where the

1045
00:37:09,510 --> 00:37:08,400
information comes from so don't believe

1046
00:37:10,390 --> 00:37:09,520
all you read

1047
00:37:12,470 --> 00:37:10,400
yeah

1048
00:37:14,310 --> 00:37:12,480
just because it looks like in a like

1049
00:37:16,390 --> 00:37:14,320
some sort of official document with a

1050
00:37:19,910 --> 00:37:16,400
juicy story or something

1051
00:37:22,550 --> 00:37:19,920
um that oftentimes is the beginning

1052
00:37:26,230 --> 00:37:22,560
of your work right yeah

1053
00:37:28,550 --> 00:37:26,240
yeah then figure it out um

1054
00:37:31,270 --> 00:37:28,560
so yeah this is interesting

1055
00:37:33,829 --> 00:37:31,280
it's it's great isn't it

1056
00:37:35,670 --> 00:37:33,839
have you heard the audio i have yeah i

1057
00:37:37,990 --> 00:37:35,680
listened to it yesterday i finally got a

1058
00:37:40,790 --> 00:37:38,000
chance to listen to it um it's it's

1059
00:37:43,829 --> 00:37:40,800
impressive for you know

1060
00:37:46,230 --> 00:37:43,839
just so how it's how astonishing it is

1061
00:37:48,150 --> 00:37:46,240
and you can you can hear the when even

1062
00:38:01,349 --> 00:37:48,160
just if you read it never mind listen to

1063
00:38:08,630 --> 00:38:02,870
uh maintaining our heading trying to get

1064
00:38:12,470 --> 00:38:10,069
if you know where a good bird is you

1065
00:38:14,310 --> 00:38:12,480
could tell me

1066
00:38:17,670 --> 00:38:14,320
oh it's just the thing when it starts

1067
00:38:22,230 --> 00:38:17,680
climbing out your way above

1068
00:38:26,470 --> 00:38:23,510
okay we are

1069
00:38:27,990 --> 00:38:26,480
three to five heading now

1070
00:38:29,829 --> 00:38:28,000
kind of parallel line i-10 i'm going to

1071
00:38:31,510 --> 00:38:29,839
start a descent

1072
00:38:33,430 --> 00:38:31,520
and i'm going to defend this way down

1073
00:38:35,430 --> 00:38:33,440
past your uh altitude

1074
00:38:43,109 --> 00:38:35,440
tire no factor for the descent

1075
00:38:45,430 --> 00:38:44,630
yeah then it kind of goes quiet for a

1076
00:38:47,589 --> 00:38:45,440
bit

1077
00:38:49,030 --> 00:38:47,599
yeah i'll see it's in real time so

1078
00:38:50,630 --> 00:38:49,040
there's gaps when they're reacting to

1079
00:38:52,310 --> 00:38:50,640
what's going on basically this thing

1080
00:38:54,550 --> 00:38:52,320
sort of gets above what the air two

1081
00:38:56,310 --> 00:38:54,560
helicopter and then as they're climbing

1082
00:38:58,390 --> 00:38:56,320
it's climbing faster

1083
00:39:00,870 --> 00:38:58,400
and you know it's going like a thousand

1084
00:39:03,430 --> 00:39:00,880
two thousand feet above them um at one

1085
00:39:05,670 --> 00:39:03,440
stage um and it's you know circling

1086
00:39:11,190 --> 00:39:05,680
around the way it's

1087
00:39:14,150 --> 00:39:12,710
and you know the towers don't know

1088
00:39:15,349 --> 00:39:14,160
what's going on the two helicopters

1089
00:39:17,109 --> 00:39:15,359
which are involved in it they're trying

1090
00:39:20,230 --> 00:39:17,119
to look for it and they're having a bit

1091
00:39:22,069 --> 00:39:20,240
of trouble keeping up with it um

1092
00:39:23,829 --> 00:39:22,079
they're having a hard time getting uh

1093
00:39:38,470 --> 00:39:23,839
being able to see it on their on their

1094
00:39:41,910 --> 00:39:40,470
they basically kept saying i just kept

1095
00:39:43,109 --> 00:39:41,920
saying it visually and that's how they

1096
00:39:44,870 --> 00:39:43,119
could that was how one of them was

1097
00:39:46,630 --> 00:39:44,880
really tracking it but by just seeing it

1098
00:39:48,550 --> 00:39:46,640
he's between us and the towers on mount

1099
00:39:50,230 --> 00:39:48,560
limit now

1100
00:39:56,710 --> 00:39:50,240
probably a thousand above us and uh

1101
00:39:59,829 --> 00:39:58,390
and it was more during the way that was

1102
00:40:02,390 --> 00:39:59,839
interacting with the helicopters and you

1103
00:40:04,069 --> 00:40:02,400
know as in kind of um sort of keeping

1104
00:40:05,990 --> 00:40:04,079
out their way and maybe keeping in the

1105
00:40:07,510 --> 00:40:06,000
blind spots and all the rest of it you

1106
00:40:09,750 --> 00:40:07,520
know for that to be controlled by

1107
00:40:11,670 --> 00:40:09,760
somebody they must have had a huge kind

1108
00:40:13,750 --> 00:40:11,680
of situational awareness about what was

1109
00:40:15,990 --> 00:40:13,760
going on you know all the time so it

1110
00:40:17,589 --> 00:40:16,000
wasn't just like some guy you know on

1111
00:40:20,390 --> 00:40:17,599
on the other side of the country or from

1112
00:40:22,870 --> 00:40:20,400
a ship somewhere you know away you know

1113
00:40:25,430 --> 00:40:22,880
how far away launching it and and trying

1114
00:40:27,670 --> 00:40:25,440
to track it you know whoever what if

1115
00:40:29,750 --> 00:40:27,680
there was somebody flying it let's say

1116
00:40:32,309 --> 00:40:29,760
it was a drone then they must have had a

1117
00:40:33,670 --> 00:40:32,319
huge an amazing sensor

1118
00:40:36,150 --> 00:40:33,680
just an update here

1119
00:40:37,750 --> 00:40:36,160
um air 2 still has that drone in sight

1120
00:40:39,190 --> 00:40:37,760
and then troy is maneuvering and take

1121
00:40:41,990 --> 00:40:39,200
pictures of it

1122
00:40:44,870 --> 00:40:42,000
okay and they're over like mount lemmon

1123
00:40:46,390 --> 00:40:44,880
and uh that's crazy man to be that that

1124
00:40:48,390 --> 00:40:46,400
far they don't they don't think it's

1125
00:40:50,630 --> 00:40:48,400
it's radio controlled really they think

1126
00:40:52,069 --> 00:40:50,640
it's automated well well something's

1127
00:40:53,270 --> 00:40:52,079
good because it started over here by

1128
00:40:54,870 --> 00:40:53,280
keno hospital it's all the way over

1129
00:40:57,589 --> 00:40:54,880
there yeah for sure and i can't believe

1130
00:40:59,990 --> 00:40:57,599
they have eyes on it that high yeah

1131
00:41:03,829 --> 00:41:00,000
the night fish is helping him out yeah

1132
00:41:03,839 --> 00:41:07,349
that's crazy

1133
00:41:11,270 --> 00:41:09,190
yeah just answer dan's point there about

1134
00:41:12,950 --> 00:41:11,280
yeah if it was circling and climb and

1135
00:41:14,309 --> 00:41:12,960
climbing if it was circling it wasn't

1136
00:41:16,390 --> 00:41:14,319
just sitting like hovering and sitting

1137
00:41:17,829 --> 00:41:16,400
in one place then you might expect it

1138
00:41:19,510 --> 00:41:17,839
might have wings

1139
00:41:21,190 --> 00:41:19,520
but

1140
00:41:22,870 --> 00:41:21,200
it's not entirely clear whether it does

1141
00:41:24,790 --> 00:41:22,880
or not i mean i don't i'm not entirely

1142
00:41:26,630 --> 00:41:24,800
sure how they describe it you know that

1143
00:41:28,870 --> 00:41:26,640
they're too busy trying to find it and

1144
00:41:30,710 --> 00:41:28,880
and chase it and catch up with it to get

1145
00:41:32,550 --> 00:41:30,720
any kind of real accurate description

1146
00:41:35,750 --> 00:41:32,560
other than it was just like some kind of

1147
00:41:37,829 --> 00:41:35,760
really small thing um but

1148
00:41:39,829 --> 00:41:37,839
it's weird about it because it seems to

1149
00:41:41,430 --> 00:41:39,839
be very responsive to what how they're

1150
00:41:44,309 --> 00:41:41,440
flying and you know how the two

1151
00:41:45,910 --> 00:41:44,319
helicopters were chasing after it um and

1152
00:41:48,710 --> 00:41:45,920
it keeps out of their way

1153
00:41:50,309 --> 00:41:48,720
so if it is somebody flying it

1154
00:41:52,870 --> 00:41:50,319
not you know from the ground let's say

1155
00:41:54,550 --> 00:41:52,880
yeah like it has eyes on it

1156
00:41:56,470 --> 00:41:54,560
you know you wonder that height how they

1157
00:41:58,710 --> 00:41:56,480
could actually you know make it do what

1158
00:42:00,550 --> 00:41:58,720
it was doing and to respond to all the

1159
00:42:02,630 --> 00:42:00,560
movements that the two helicopters were

1160
00:42:04,870 --> 00:42:02,640
doing and keep it you know from crashing

1161
00:42:06,230 --> 00:42:04,880
into them let's just say or from losing

1162
00:42:07,349 --> 00:42:06,240
sight of it or whatever because it must

1163
00:42:08,950 --> 00:42:07,359
be a hell of a distance away from

1164
00:42:10,790 --> 00:42:08,960
wherever it was launched from if it was

1165
00:42:12,950 --> 00:42:10,800
a drone so there's a lot of things that

1166
00:42:15,670 --> 00:42:12,960
sort of you know make me sort of think

1167
00:42:17,750 --> 00:42:15,680
well you know what else was it because

1168
00:42:19,990 --> 00:42:17,760
it's got to be really really sort of

1169
00:42:21,990 --> 00:42:20,000
sophisticated to be you know just a

1170
00:42:23,349 --> 00:42:22,000
drone yeah

1171
00:42:25,589 --> 00:42:23,359
and the kind of sensor package and the

1172
00:42:26,950 --> 00:42:25,599
kind of communications package it had to

1173
00:42:29,190 --> 00:42:26,960
to link to where it was being launched

1174
00:42:31,349 --> 00:42:29,200
and controlled from so

1175
00:42:32,950 --> 00:42:31,359
i don't know it's a real mystery it's a

1176
00:42:35,670 --> 00:42:32,960
very very good it's a very compelling

1177
00:42:38,150 --> 00:42:35,680
one um but i'm you know i'm i'm no

1178
00:42:39,510 --> 00:42:38,160
expert on drone technology so um i'd

1179
00:42:41,510 --> 00:42:39,520
leave that to people who are much more

1180
00:42:43,990 --> 00:42:41,520
knowledgeable that subject than i am

1181
00:42:47,270 --> 00:42:44,000
but yeah yeah it's it's very intriguing

1182
00:42:50,309 --> 00:42:47,280
well you know that drones are getting to

1183
00:42:52,150 --> 00:42:50,319
be very uh possible

1184
00:42:54,390 --> 00:42:52,160
you know as far as their capabilities i

1185
00:42:56,710 --> 00:42:54,400
just went over something the other day

1186
00:43:01,030 --> 00:42:56,720
about uh locust drones

1187
00:43:02,069 --> 00:43:01,040
um where they use the phenomenon of

1188
00:43:04,309 --> 00:43:02,079
um

1189
00:43:07,910 --> 00:43:04,319
swarming basically

1190
00:43:09,589 --> 00:43:07,920
um and their goal by 2025 which is the

1191
00:43:10,470 --> 00:43:09,599
the goal of this school who wrote the

1192
00:43:12,550 --> 00:43:10,480
paper

1193
00:43:14,470 --> 00:43:12,560
was to release a

1194
00:43:15,750 --> 00:43:14,480
thousand of them i think it was in

1195
00:43:18,230 --> 00:43:15,760
coordination

1196
00:43:20,470 --> 00:43:18,240
and they just did like a hundred of them

1197
00:43:22,150 --> 00:43:20,480
a couple of years ago or something

1198
00:43:23,430 --> 00:43:22,160
yeah well you see these some like shows

1199
00:43:25,430 --> 00:43:23,440
don't you where they'll have multiple

1200
00:43:27,190 --> 00:43:25,440
ones with lights on so that they create

1201
00:43:29,349 --> 00:43:27,200
some kind of effect in the sky it's

1202
00:43:31,270 --> 00:43:29,359
getting it's getting very clever um

1203
00:43:33,190 --> 00:43:31,280
allen had a on your in your notes there

1204
00:43:34,230 --> 00:43:33,200
he had a comment now he said you

1205
00:43:35,910 --> 00:43:34,240
couldn't see it with night vision

1206
00:43:37,109 --> 00:43:35,920
goggles there yes there were they were

1207
00:43:38,550 --> 00:43:37,119
having a hell of a

1208
00:43:40,950 --> 00:43:38,560
difficulty in trying to find it the

1209
00:43:42,630 --> 00:43:40,960
object was very faint so

1210
00:43:44,069 --> 00:43:42,640
it didn't have much of a heat source by

1211
00:43:46,150 --> 00:43:44,079
the look by the sound of things if they

1212
00:43:48,230 --> 00:43:46,160
were they were struggling or for somehow

1213
00:43:49,190 --> 00:43:48,240
somehow we could mask its heat which

1214
00:43:51,430 --> 00:43:49,200
again

1215
00:43:53,190 --> 00:43:51,440
like sort of you know show some kind of

1216
00:43:54,950 --> 00:43:53,200
possible like strange technology that

1217
00:43:56,550 --> 00:43:54,960
could i heard there too

1218
00:43:58,470 --> 00:43:56,560
yeah it's

1219
00:43:59,829 --> 00:43:58,480
and yeah there's there's vinnie saying

1220
00:44:01,670 --> 00:43:59,839
it could be the same thing that was

1221
00:44:03,270 --> 00:44:01,680
flying after that bit that that a-10

1222
00:44:04,390 --> 00:44:03,280
warthog so

1223
00:44:05,190 --> 00:44:04,400
who knows

1224
00:44:08,950 --> 00:44:05,200
it's

1225
00:44:10,230 --> 00:44:08,960
this is a new strand isn't it yeah what

1226
00:44:11,829 --> 00:44:10,240
some people might just write off as

1227
00:44:14,630 --> 00:44:11,839
drones this is a whole new thing which

1228
00:44:16,470 --> 00:44:14,640
is permeating the whole you know ufo uap

1229
00:44:18,790 --> 00:44:16,480
issue that there's these little things

1230
00:44:20,790 --> 00:44:18,800
now that which are flying around that

1231
00:44:22,790 --> 00:44:20,800
like seem to imitate drones in some

1232
00:44:24,630 --> 00:44:22,800
respects but others

1233
00:44:27,030 --> 00:44:24,640
sort of just outstrip the other

1234
00:44:29,030 --> 00:44:27,040
capabilities that we think we know about

1235
00:44:31,349 --> 00:44:29,040
drones but then again

1236
00:44:32,550 --> 00:44:31,359
we don't know some things and you know

1237
00:44:33,510 --> 00:44:32,560
maybe the chinese or the russians or

1238
00:44:34,870 --> 00:44:33,520
even the americans that are

1239
00:44:36,870 --> 00:44:34,880
experimenting with

1240
00:44:39,990 --> 00:44:36,880
um so it's all a little bit up in the

1241
00:44:42,710 --> 00:44:40,000
air to department if it was um well

1242
00:44:45,510 --> 00:44:42,720
apparently russian and chinese um

1243
00:44:46,630 --> 00:44:45,520
they're at least uh china is dominating

1244
00:44:50,150 --> 00:44:46,640
the drone

1245
00:44:52,790 --> 00:44:50,160
game uh cortador military at least

1246
00:44:54,950 --> 00:44:52,800
the civilian uh sector as well

1247
00:44:57,589 --> 00:44:54,960
so if they're going

1248
00:44:59,510 --> 00:44:57,599
you know and a part of that is they

1249
00:45:01,349 --> 00:44:59,520
you know want to be able to loiter

1250
00:45:03,910 --> 00:45:01,359
indefinitely

1251
00:45:06,470 --> 00:45:03,920
you know and um they have come up with

1252
00:45:09,750 --> 00:45:06,480
ways that to where they can

1253
00:45:11,190 --> 00:45:09,760
um do that even going far distances

1254
00:45:12,710 --> 00:45:11,200
um

1255
00:45:13,910 --> 00:45:12,720
so i don't know

1256
00:45:15,270 --> 00:45:13,920
you just have to you have to wonder what

1257
00:45:17,349 --> 00:45:15,280
kind of power source that's going to

1258
00:45:19,589 --> 00:45:17,359
drive something well i mean it

1259
00:45:21,670 --> 00:45:19,599
definitely is obviously not forever but

1260
00:45:23,589 --> 00:45:21,680
it's a very f it's for a fair you know a

1261
00:45:25,670 --> 00:45:23,599
fair chunk of time but you wonder what

1262
00:45:27,109 --> 00:45:25,680
you know something that's small you

1263
00:45:29,190 --> 00:45:27,119
wonder what's going to be able to power

1264
00:45:31,910 --> 00:45:29,200
it over that period of time that

1265
00:45:34,069 --> 00:45:31,920
accurately over that distance as well i

1266
00:45:35,670 --> 00:45:34,079
mean okay you and i could get a drone

1267
00:45:37,349 --> 00:45:35,680
maybe that we could send off you know

1268
00:45:39,030 --> 00:45:37,359
and even like you're really sufficient

1269
00:45:40,630 --> 00:45:39,040
okay what are the chances you can go

1270
00:45:42,470 --> 00:45:40,640
ahead

1271
00:45:44,790 --> 00:45:42,480
yeah they fly over another state let's

1272
00:45:47,589 --> 00:45:44,800
say okay never mind another country or

1273
00:45:49,270 --> 00:45:47,599
across a across a an ocean let's just

1274
00:45:51,270 --> 00:45:49,280
fly over a state

1275
00:45:52,870 --> 00:45:51,280
and then try and accurately fly it

1276
00:45:55,349 --> 00:45:52,880
within a couple of feet or 100 feet of a

1277
00:45:56,790 --> 00:45:55,359
helicopter you know what kind of sensors

1278
00:45:58,230 --> 00:45:56,800
do you have to have what kind of you

1279
00:45:59,750 --> 00:45:58,240
know what does it have to have in terms

1280
00:46:00,470 --> 00:45:59,760
of being able to work out what's around

1281
00:46:02,230 --> 00:46:00,480
it

1282
00:46:04,470 --> 00:46:02,240
and who and how sophisticated has the

1283
00:46:06,150 --> 00:46:04,480
guy or the person who's flying it you've

1284
00:46:07,670 --> 00:46:06,160
got to be in terms to be able to react

1285
00:46:09,109 --> 00:46:07,680
that quick and the information's going

1286
00:46:11,510 --> 00:46:09,119
to get there back to the hell to

1287
00:46:13,510 --> 00:46:11,520
whatever it is to fly it around as as as

1288
00:46:15,829 --> 00:46:13,520
your mate spaghetti says on the con it's

1289
00:46:16,870 --> 00:46:15,839
no drone it probably isn't you know it's

1290
00:46:18,790 --> 00:46:16,880
probably something that's something

1291
00:46:21,829 --> 00:46:18,800
completely different but yeah

1292
00:46:22,550 --> 00:46:21,839
again we don't know do we so

1293
00:46:26,630 --> 00:46:22,560
it's

1294
00:46:28,230 --> 00:46:26,640
weird isn't it

1295
00:46:29,829 --> 00:46:28,240
but yeah and the general's got a good

1296
00:46:31,349 --> 00:46:29,839
point there as well he says if it's some

1297
00:46:33,430 --> 00:46:31,359
secret tech why would he be playing cat

1298
00:46:34,309 --> 00:46:33,440
and mouse or helicopters indeed why

1299
00:46:36,069 --> 00:46:34,319
would he

1300
00:46:38,309 --> 00:46:36,079
just hide

1301
00:46:40,390 --> 00:46:38,319
and yeah you wouldn't yeah it's playing

1302
00:46:42,950 --> 00:46:40,400
with them isn't it

1303
00:46:45,829 --> 00:46:42,960
if i mean if it's a secret deck it's not

1304
00:46:47,589 --> 00:46:45,839
our secret text that's right like our

1305
00:46:50,150 --> 00:46:47,599
governments it would it could be a rogue

1306
00:46:51,750 --> 00:46:50,160
civilian maybe i guess

1307
00:46:53,589 --> 00:46:51,760
um i don't i don't

1308
00:46:55,510 --> 00:46:53,599
i don't like sort of subscribe to the

1309
00:46:57,510 --> 00:46:55,520
drone theory too much because from what

1310
00:46:59,270 --> 00:46:57,520
i see and what i hear about

1311
00:47:00,470 --> 00:46:59,280
you know drone technology we're not

1312
00:47:01,990 --> 00:47:00,480
there yet

1313
00:47:05,510 --> 00:47:02,000
but it's so it's one of those things i

1314
00:47:07,430 --> 00:47:05,520
can't obviously 100 rule out um

1315
00:47:11,030 --> 00:47:07,440
i mean having looked a little bit into

1316
00:47:11,829 --> 00:47:11,040
it the capabilities are are pretty

1317
00:47:15,990 --> 00:47:11,839
um

1318
00:47:17,270 --> 00:47:16,000
wonder what kind of point in history

1319
00:47:18,710 --> 00:47:17,280
yeah you just wonder what kind of point

1320
00:47:19,510 --> 00:47:18,720
in history it's going to get to where

1321
00:47:22,150 --> 00:47:19,520
their

1322
00:47:23,270 --> 00:47:22,160
technology yes matches what we're seeing

1323
00:47:24,390 --> 00:47:23,280
and whether that's going to be what 10

1324
00:47:25,750 --> 00:47:24,400
years in the future 100 years in the

1325
00:47:27,829 --> 00:47:25,760
future whatever that's going to be they

1326
00:47:29,990 --> 00:47:27,839
might come in different estimates right

1327
00:47:32,710 --> 00:47:30,000
yeah they're coming

1328
00:47:35,030 --> 00:47:32,720
from what we're really looking at

1329
00:47:37,750 --> 00:47:35,040
we're going to start having uh finding

1330
00:47:39,430 --> 00:47:37,760
more newspaper clippings in the cia oh

1331
00:47:44,710 --> 00:47:39,440
yeah

1332
00:47:48,390 --> 00:47:44,720
think that's kind of the hard part of

1333
00:47:50,230 --> 00:47:48,400
all this and it you know unfortunately

1334
00:47:52,309 --> 00:47:50,240
you know you think this is what i think

1335
00:47:53,990 --> 00:47:52,319
so we're here and we're wondering about

1336
00:47:56,069 --> 00:47:54,000
the capabilities and all that could we

1337
00:47:57,109 --> 00:47:56,079
even do something like that and all

1338
00:47:59,109 --> 00:47:57,119
whatever

1339
00:48:01,510 --> 00:47:59,119
and then you think about the the 40s and

1340
00:48:04,069 --> 00:48:01,520
50s when all this stuff was going crazy

1341
00:48:05,510 --> 00:48:04,079
like 48 49 50.

1342
00:48:07,349 --> 00:48:05,520
and

1343
00:48:09,109 --> 00:48:07,359
you know it would have been so much

1344
00:48:12,309 --> 00:48:09,119
easier if we were around then did you

1345
00:48:14,150 --> 00:48:12,319
say no that's not a drone

1346
00:48:15,910 --> 00:48:14,160
that's a freaking ufo

1347
00:48:17,349 --> 00:48:15,920
you know we're going to get another

1348
00:48:19,430 --> 00:48:17,359
thing like that

1349
00:48:21,109 --> 00:48:19,440
we've got the benefit of like 75 years

1350
00:48:22,630 --> 00:48:21,119
of seeing what's happened since then

1351
00:48:24,470 --> 00:48:22,640
haven't we yeah you put yourself in the

1352
00:48:25,990 --> 00:48:24,480
shoes of the people back then and

1353
00:48:27,750 --> 00:48:26,000
they've gotten as i said before they've

1354
00:48:29,349 --> 00:48:27,760
got no frame of reference

1355
00:48:31,030 --> 00:48:29,359
you know they're

1356
00:48:32,829 --> 00:48:31,040
not interested in you know those kind of

1357
00:48:35,910 --> 00:48:32,839
pulp science fiction comics from the

1358
00:48:36,710 --> 00:48:35,920
1930s and 1940s so you know it's not

1359
00:48:38,950 --> 00:48:36,720
something they would look at and

1360
00:48:40,630 --> 00:48:38,960
everything was sort of in the language

1361
00:48:41,670 --> 00:48:40,640
of well it's the russians or it was the

1362
00:48:43,990 --> 00:48:41,680
germans

1363
00:48:45,510 --> 00:48:44,000
um you know the other kind of the others

1364
00:48:46,870 --> 00:48:45,520
came along later

1365
00:48:48,230 --> 00:48:46,880
um

1366
00:48:50,630 --> 00:48:48,240
or at least that's that's the way it

1367
00:48:51,990 --> 00:48:50,640
looks from from now but then again you

1368
00:48:53,589 --> 00:48:52,000
know if you peel back the layers and you

1369
00:48:55,349 --> 00:48:53,599
find that the craft did crash it roswell

1370
00:48:57,670 --> 00:48:55,359
and it had more there was bodies found

1371
00:48:59,430 --> 00:48:57,680
at some stage or there or some of these

1372
00:49:01,430 --> 00:48:59,440
other stories from back then were

1373
00:49:04,309 --> 00:49:01,440
actually you know sort of

1374
00:49:05,190 --> 00:49:04,319
e.t then yes okay that that basically

1375
00:49:08,710 --> 00:49:05,200
just

1376
00:49:09,910 --> 00:49:08,720
knocks all that yeah away doesn't it

1377
00:49:11,589 --> 00:49:09,920
knowing that yeah you've got a whole

1378
00:49:14,630 --> 00:49:11,599
different story

1379
00:49:19,030 --> 00:49:14,640
yeah so it's all very very weird well i

1380
00:49:19,829 --> 00:49:19,040
appreciate it man um you're the best

1381
00:49:22,630 --> 00:49:19,839
so

1382
00:49:24,950 --> 00:49:22,640
um i learned a lot today

1383
00:49:27,190 --> 00:49:24,960
i hope other people learned a lot today

1384
00:49:29,349 --> 00:49:27,200
um we got about 10 minutes left you got

1385
00:49:31,190 --> 00:49:29,359
10 more in you

1386
00:49:32,790 --> 00:49:31,200
um if you've got some i haven't got any

1387
00:49:34,950 --> 00:49:32,800
actually lined up but if you want to

1388
00:49:36,870 --> 00:49:34,960
talk about something else yeah no that's

1389
00:49:38,390 --> 00:49:36,880
okay um

1390
00:49:39,350 --> 00:49:38,400
well

1391
00:49:41,430 --> 00:49:39,360
why don't we

1392
00:49:43,510 --> 00:49:41,440
[Music]

1393
00:49:47,750 --> 00:49:43,520
look at something

1394
00:49:53,430 --> 00:49:49,349
because i'll get stuck or something will

1395
00:49:57,589 --> 00:49:55,750
so yeah um

1396
00:49:59,990 --> 00:49:57,599
i appreciate all your help man you've

1397
00:50:01,910 --> 00:50:00,000
been so sorry so

1398
00:50:04,150 --> 00:50:01,920
um always so supportive of me and my

1399
00:50:06,390 --> 00:50:04,160
endeavors and everything i try to do so

1400
00:50:07,430 --> 00:50:06,400
i really appreciate that because i look

1401
00:50:10,710 --> 00:50:07,440
up to you

1402
00:50:12,870 --> 00:50:10,720
as uh as a journalist as a writer as

1403
00:50:13,750 --> 00:50:12,880
uh somebody in this community who you

1404
00:50:15,430 --> 00:50:13,760
know

1405
00:50:18,069 --> 00:50:15,440
is a straight shooter

1406
00:50:19,589 --> 00:50:18,079
and looks at things as they are so

1407
00:50:21,270 --> 00:50:19,599
you know there's no there's no there's

1408
00:50:22,870 --> 00:50:21,280
no benefit in trying to tell people the

1409
00:50:24,549 --> 00:50:22,880
wrong thing or trying to lead people

1410
00:50:28,069 --> 00:50:24,559
down paths where you know you shouldn't

1411
00:50:29,990 --> 00:50:28,079
be um you know it for one thing even if

1412
00:50:31,910 --> 00:50:30,000
i tried to come about and bite me you

1413
00:50:34,309 --> 00:50:31,920
know you know next month next year in

1414
00:50:36,309 --> 00:50:34,319
the next decade so there's absolutely no

1415
00:50:37,990 --> 00:50:36,319
reason for me to to say anything that i

1416
00:50:40,390 --> 00:50:38,000
don't believe in myself and i don't

1417
00:50:41,990 --> 00:50:40,400
think it's accurate so um yeah and if

1418
00:50:43,750 --> 00:50:42,000
and when people actually read the book

1419
00:50:45,430 --> 00:50:43,760
that i've written the hope they'll come

1420
00:50:46,950 --> 00:50:45,440
up with the same kind of conclusion that

1421
00:50:49,750 --> 00:50:46,960
you know i do about what i've written

1422
00:50:51,349 --> 00:50:49,760
about but i'm not trying to sell a story

1423
00:50:53,349 --> 00:50:51,359
uh you know i'm trying to tell it as it

1424
00:50:55,349 --> 00:50:53,359
is and i've pulled you know information

1425
00:50:57,270 --> 00:50:55,359
from here then everywhere to to not

1426
00:50:59,829 --> 00:50:57,280
justified but to sort of back up what

1427
00:51:01,510 --> 00:50:59,839
i'm saying um i don't i don't just come

1428
00:51:02,790 --> 00:51:01,520
up with nonsense well i just like i

1429
00:51:05,430 --> 00:51:02,800
think i don't

1430
00:51:06,790 --> 00:51:05,440
a great example of that is just earlier

1431
00:51:07,589 --> 00:51:06,800
when you said

1432
00:51:08,950 --> 00:51:07,599
um

1433
00:51:10,390 --> 00:51:08,960
that

1434
00:51:11,829 --> 00:51:10,400
you know people don't do their research

1435
00:51:13,589 --> 00:51:11,839
they get the news article but it was

1436
00:51:15,990 --> 00:51:13,599
originally in german then they go don't

1437
00:51:17,430 --> 00:51:16,000
go translate it like that statement

1438
00:51:18,710 --> 00:51:17,440
right there

1439
00:51:20,829 --> 00:51:18,720
means

1440
00:51:24,150 --> 00:51:20,839
that this is gonna be a great

1441
00:51:27,430 --> 00:51:24,160
book know because that's an example of

1442
00:51:29,349 --> 00:51:27,440
how much you uh put into it so

1443
00:51:30,630 --> 00:51:29,359
i appreciate it i can't wait

1444
00:51:31,829 --> 00:51:30,640
did you see something on twitter just

1445
00:51:33,030 --> 00:51:31,839
before i go did you say something on

1446
00:51:34,549 --> 00:51:33,040
twitter the other day and it was like

1447
00:51:36,390 --> 00:51:34,559
somebody put um

1448
00:51:39,030 --> 00:51:36,400
it was an explanation of the language

1449
00:51:40,150 --> 00:51:39,040
somebody says i do my own research

1450
00:51:42,390 --> 00:51:40,160
oh right

1451
00:51:44,950 --> 00:51:42,400
you had footnotes for each of the words

1452
00:51:47,030 --> 00:51:44,960
and it was and it was like um i do my

1453
00:51:49,109 --> 00:51:47,040
own and i think that was i look at

1454
00:51:50,580 --> 00:51:49,119
somebody else's and then the research

1455
00:51:53,430 --> 00:51:50,590
was youtube videos

1456
00:51:55,910 --> 00:51:53,440
[Laughter]

1457
00:51:57,349 --> 00:51:55,920
that is kind of true though right like

1458
00:51:59,349 --> 00:51:57,359
research

1459
00:52:01,349 --> 00:51:59,359
you have to use other people's

1460
00:52:03,589 --> 00:52:01,359
to do it that's kind of it's a starting

1461
00:52:04,790 --> 00:52:03,599
point but there are i mean yeah there

1462
00:52:06,790 --> 00:52:04,800
are ways of actually finding your

1463
00:52:07,910 --> 00:52:06,800
information i i don't mean red it's not

1464
00:52:09,670 --> 00:52:07,920
a lot of the time you're finding

1465
00:52:11,829 --> 00:52:09,680
something completely brand new that

1466
00:52:13,349 --> 00:52:11,839
nobody on the planet has ever found but

1467
00:52:15,430 --> 00:52:13,359
it's actually going more into just

1468
00:52:17,270 --> 00:52:15,440
looking into source information and

1469
00:52:18,870 --> 00:52:17,280
using that rather than just again

1470
00:52:20,470 --> 00:52:18,880
looking at somebody's youtube video or

1471
00:52:22,790 --> 00:52:20,480
look something like who can say oh yeah

1472
00:52:25,030 --> 00:52:22,800
that's why i got information on you know

1473
00:52:27,270 --> 00:52:25,040
okay yeah take that and and use it in

1474
00:52:28,790 --> 00:52:27,280
your story but also make sure you know

1475
00:52:30,549 --> 00:52:28,800
where it comes from make sure you know

1476
00:52:32,950 --> 00:52:30,559
it's accurate as well because if you do

1477
00:52:34,790 --> 00:52:32,960
a story about joan flying discs and look

1478
00:52:36,069 --> 00:52:34,800
at that cia document and he's just

1479
00:52:38,870 --> 00:52:36,079
talking about oh yeah george clooney

1480
00:52:43,430 --> 00:52:40,470
you're writing a load of rubbish so

1481
00:52:45,750 --> 00:52:43,440
that's a bit of v1 yep

1482
00:52:47,750 --> 00:52:45,760
so yeah you've got to be careful well

1483
00:52:50,309 --> 00:52:47,760
like uh spaghetti

1484
00:52:52,069 --> 00:52:50,319
brings up that anage girl that uh is

1485
00:52:54,710 --> 00:52:52,079
pretty out there and did that press

1486
00:52:56,630 --> 00:52:54,720
conference and all that stuff and um

1487
00:52:59,829 --> 00:52:56,640
you know that's that's a perfect example

1488
00:53:01,109 --> 00:52:59,839
of okay so you watch the video

1489
00:53:04,390 --> 00:53:01,119
now

1490
00:53:06,710 --> 00:53:04,400
go figure out if it's true

1491
00:53:08,309 --> 00:53:06,720
what do you what do you think about them

1492
00:53:09,510 --> 00:53:08,319
what do you think about her and the

1493
00:53:12,870 --> 00:53:09,520
whole kind of

1494
00:53:14,870 --> 00:53:12,880
well press press conference right you

1495
00:53:17,990 --> 00:53:14,880
see where i'm gonna come from can't you

1496
00:53:21,670 --> 00:53:18,000
yeah no i'm not a i'm not a fan i i

1497
00:53:24,470 --> 00:53:21,680
tried um to listen and everything um

1498
00:53:26,710 --> 00:53:24,480
because everybody deserves uh if if they

1499
00:53:29,109 --> 00:53:26,720
really want to be heard like that

1500
00:53:31,670 --> 00:53:29,119
sure yeah i'll listen to you um it

1501
00:53:33,430 --> 00:53:31,680
wasn't it wasn't what i expected though

1502
00:53:34,950 --> 00:53:33,440
no okay

1503
00:53:36,549 --> 00:53:34,960
yeah because i was expecting like a

1504
00:53:39,270 --> 00:53:36,559
hotel room you know like a functioning

1505
00:53:41,270 --> 00:53:39,280
room with um with a with a kind of table

1506
00:53:42,870 --> 00:53:41,280
and microphones and

1507
00:53:44,470 --> 00:53:42,880
not just her but other people you know

1508
00:53:46,230 --> 00:53:44,480
the team that she's supposed to have

1509
00:53:47,589 --> 00:53:46,240
like got together or at least a couple

1510
00:53:49,030 --> 00:53:47,599
of people and then we're going to talk

1511
00:53:50,630 --> 00:53:49,040
about what they were going to do

1512
00:53:51,910 --> 00:53:50,640
but it turned out that she turned up in

1513
00:53:53,430 --> 00:53:51,920
front that was at the lincoln memorial i

1514
00:53:55,030 --> 00:53:53,440
can't remember where it was with this i

1515
00:53:56,470 --> 00:53:55,040
think it was a partner or a business

1516
00:53:57,829 --> 00:53:56,480
partner whoever it was to start the guy

1517
00:53:59,589 --> 00:53:57,839
who would keep people keep saying on

1518
00:54:01,670 --> 00:53:59,599
twitter was some kind of um

1519
00:54:03,829 --> 00:54:01,680
some kind of bodyguard or somebody

1520
00:54:05,190 --> 00:54:03,839
and kept and he kept talking to her and

1521
00:54:06,390 --> 00:54:05,200
it was very difficult to understand what

1522
00:54:08,230 --> 00:54:06,400
she was saying sometimes because the

1523
00:54:10,309 --> 00:54:08,240
noise and what's going on the plane's

1524
00:54:12,150 --> 00:54:10,319
flying overhead so it wasn't perfect and

1525
00:54:14,549 --> 00:54:12,160
for somebody who was supposed to be used

1526
00:54:16,950 --> 00:54:14,559
to pr and things like that it didn't

1527
00:54:19,430 --> 00:54:16,960
come across very very slick and i was

1528
00:54:21,270 --> 00:54:19,440
quite surprised um and there wasn't a

1529
00:54:23,109 --> 00:54:21,280
lot of substance to what she was saying

1530
00:54:24,549 --> 00:54:23,119
in terms of you know things you could

1531
00:54:25,589 --> 00:54:24,559
like prove or you could check out

1532
00:54:28,230 --> 00:54:25,599
yourself

1533
00:54:30,069 --> 00:54:28,240
um it was just somebody it would we have

1534
00:54:32,150 --> 00:54:30,079
a thing in doubt in london here it's

1535
00:54:33,589 --> 00:54:32,160
called speaker's corner where people can

1536
00:54:35,270 --> 00:54:33,599
basically go and like talk about

1537
00:54:36,789 --> 00:54:35,280
anything they like and it was a bit like

1538
00:54:38,549 --> 00:54:36,799
that you know you can just go and ramble

1539
00:54:40,230 --> 00:54:38,559
about any kind of subject you want and

1540
00:54:40,870 --> 00:54:40,240
so i was a bit i was a bit disappointed

1541
00:54:41,990 --> 00:54:40,880
because i thought it was going to be

1542
00:54:43,190 --> 00:54:42,000
more and i thought it was going more

1543
00:54:45,510 --> 00:54:43,200
kind of professional i thought it was

1544
00:54:46,630 --> 00:54:45,520
going to be more um i didn't i think

1545
00:54:48,390 --> 00:54:46,640
educational

1546
00:54:49,270 --> 00:54:48,400
you know i suppose i might be expecting

1547
00:54:51,430 --> 00:54:49,280
too much

1548
00:54:52,390 --> 00:54:51,440
and

1549
00:54:56,789 --> 00:54:52,400
yeah

1550
00:55:00,150 --> 00:54:56,799
i'm sorry there's just too much of that

1551
00:55:02,630 --> 00:55:00,160
already like don't take up my time to

1552
00:55:05,109 --> 00:55:02,640
you know make me follow you with

1553
00:55:07,030 --> 00:55:05,119
something that's completely unproven you

1554
00:55:08,870 --> 00:55:07,040
know and that there's enough things that

1555
00:55:11,030 --> 00:55:08,880
are unproven that are

1556
00:55:12,549 --> 00:55:11,040
you know vouching for my attention

1557
00:55:15,430 --> 00:55:12,559
you know i can't just go out there and

1558
00:55:16,710 --> 00:55:15,440
give it to everything yeah you know so

1559
00:55:18,230 --> 00:55:16,720
you have to start with things that you

1560
00:55:20,630 --> 00:55:18,240
can prove so you can feel comfortable

1561
00:55:22,390 --> 00:55:20,640
going in that direction and first of all

1562
00:55:24,150 --> 00:55:22,400
if you don't have anything to prove and

1563
00:55:26,390 --> 00:55:24,160
you give a press conference

1564
00:55:27,270 --> 00:55:26,400
don't come off like a jerk the whole

1565
00:55:28,789 --> 00:55:27,280
time

1566
00:55:30,710 --> 00:55:28,799
because she did it's

1567
00:55:33,270 --> 00:55:30,720
it's a strange one because you want to

1568
00:55:34,710 --> 00:55:33,280
give experience i'm not an experienced i

1569
00:55:36,950 --> 00:55:34,720
have to like you know lay my cards out

1570
00:55:39,510 --> 00:55:36,960
i've got no experience in being an

1571
00:55:41,510 --> 00:55:39,520
experiencer so i can't tell what people

1572
00:55:43,430 --> 00:55:41,520
have been through and it's not a

1573
00:55:45,589 --> 00:55:43,440
question of doubting people

1574
00:55:46,549 --> 00:55:45,599
it's just

1575
00:55:48,470 --> 00:55:46,559
a lot of

1576
00:55:50,789 --> 00:55:48,480
folks and not just experiences but a lot

1577
00:55:52,710 --> 00:55:50,799
of folks seem to want people to believe

1578
00:55:54,069 --> 00:55:52,720
experiences implicitly

1579
00:55:55,910 --> 00:55:54,079
and it's not that i've got a problem

1580
00:55:57,829 --> 00:55:55,920
with it it's just it doesn't sit too

1581
00:56:00,309 --> 00:55:57,839
well that you have to

1582
00:56:01,430 --> 00:56:00,319
you made to me to like think so you have

1583
00:56:03,349 --> 00:56:01,440
to 100

1584
00:56:04,630 --> 00:56:03,359
believe people because they come out and

1585
00:56:06,549 --> 00:56:04,640
say something

1586
00:56:08,549 --> 00:56:06,559
now that could apply to anybody not just

1587
00:56:09,750 --> 00:56:08,559
experiences that could apply to me

1588
00:56:11,190 --> 00:56:09,760
talking about the stuff i'm putting my

1589
00:56:13,030 --> 00:56:11,200
book could be talking to you about

1590
00:56:14,789 --> 00:56:13,040
something you might talk about it it

1591
00:56:16,390 --> 00:56:14,799
could be anybody but just because

1592
00:56:19,030 --> 00:56:16,400
somebody said something doesn't mean to

1593
00:56:21,109 --> 00:56:19,040
say it's 100 accurate and we know full

1594
00:56:23,270 --> 00:56:21,119
well through the story of ufology there

1595
00:56:25,750 --> 00:56:23,280
have been people throughout you know

1596
00:56:27,510 --> 00:56:25,760
since the 1940s late 1940s who have said

1597
00:56:29,430 --> 00:56:27,520
things which turned out to be incorrect

1598
00:56:30,950 --> 00:56:29,440
it turned out to be lies basically now

1599
00:56:34,150 --> 00:56:30,960
i'm not saying she's lying i'm not

1600
00:56:35,750 --> 00:56:34,160
saying other people are lying but for

1601
00:56:37,030 --> 00:56:35,760
you know for an expectation that just

1602
00:56:39,430 --> 00:56:37,040
because you come forward and say

1603
00:56:42,309 --> 00:56:39,440
something everybody then has to believe

1604
00:56:45,829 --> 00:56:42,319
you implicitly right

1605
00:56:48,630 --> 00:56:45,839
what she's trying to do is um

1606
00:56:50,470 --> 00:56:48,640
um basically pull on everyone's emotions

1607
00:56:53,349 --> 00:56:50,480
and try to bring them to this place with

1608
00:56:56,630 --> 00:56:53,359
her so she's trying to feel or

1609
00:56:59,270 --> 00:56:56,640
you know um catch pain or confusion in

1610
00:57:01,750 --> 00:56:59,280
people that have that and take advantage

1611
00:57:04,150 --> 00:57:01,760
of it and give some sort of theoretical

1612
00:57:07,430 --> 00:57:04,160
or philosophical answer

1613
00:57:09,829 --> 00:57:07,440
um that they can cling on to and feel

1614
00:57:11,270 --> 00:57:09,839
you know good about and you know that's

1615
00:57:13,190 --> 00:57:11,280
what

1616
00:57:15,190 --> 00:57:13,200
so many people do

1617
00:57:16,390 --> 00:57:15,200
whatever it is you know you just hope

1618
00:57:17,829 --> 00:57:16,400
that they're not people aren't gonna be

1619
00:57:19,190 --> 00:57:17,839
let down when

1620
00:57:20,470 --> 00:57:19,200
you know i don't know if it's good i

1621
00:57:22,150 --> 00:57:20,480
don't know if it's gonna be inevitable

1622
00:57:29,030 --> 00:57:22,160
that you know nothing comes with this

1623
00:57:31,589 --> 00:57:30,150
i think it would have been better if

1624
00:57:33,349 --> 00:57:31,599
she'd maybe waited

1625
00:57:37,510 --> 00:57:33,359
that's that's the one

1626
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:41,190
yeah i didn't want to use the word words

1627
00:57:44,950 --> 00:57:43,270
you know if she if she could have waited

1628
00:57:47,030 --> 00:57:44,960
for it until she had these people on

1629
00:57:48,309 --> 00:57:47,040
board i think some people said she's

1630
00:57:51,270 --> 00:57:48,319
kind of an astronaut or a former

1631
00:57:53,670 --> 00:57:51,280
astronaut and a scientist on a team

1632
00:57:55,030 --> 00:57:53,680
already sure if they if they'd been

1633
00:57:56,390 --> 00:57:55,040
there and it had been in a room where

1634
00:57:58,710 --> 00:57:56,400
you could have heard them properly and

1635
00:58:00,309 --> 00:57:58,720
you could have answered proper questions

1636
00:58:01,349 --> 00:58:00,319
you know from people who might want to

1637
00:58:03,270 --> 00:58:01,359
talk to these people because they're

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associated with the project or the team

1639
00:58:06,710 --> 00:58:05,440
that would have been much better um and

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00:58:08,789 --> 00:58:06,720
i might have actually said i'm taking a

1641
00:58:10,309 --> 00:58:08,799
bit more notes of it and not necessarily

1642
00:58:11,670 --> 00:58:10,319
believed or implicitly but i might have

1643
00:58:13,190 --> 00:58:11,680
had a bit more kind of you know give her

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00:58:15,190 --> 00:58:13,200
the benefit of the doubt sort of thing

1645
00:58:17,990 --> 00:58:15,200
yeah but i'm afraid i've got a really

1646
00:58:20,150 --> 00:58:18,000
hard hard sort of you know kind of

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00:58:23,750 --> 00:58:20,160
time trying to deal with this because

1648
00:58:25,990 --> 00:58:23,760
none of it makes a lot of sense and and

1649
00:58:28,069 --> 00:58:26,000
it doesn't have to in this topic right

1650
00:58:30,150 --> 00:58:28,079
but it's a bit it's it's federal though

1651
00:58:31,589 --> 00:58:30,160
isn't it you know it's kind of like your

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00:58:33,510 --> 00:58:31,599
searches and you can't quite cling on to

1653
00:58:34,309 --> 00:58:33,520
it you know there's nothing in substance

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00:58:35,589 --> 00:58:34,319
there

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00:58:37,910 --> 00:58:35,599
um

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00:58:41,589 --> 00:58:37,920
so yeah a little bit kind of

1657
00:58:43,750 --> 00:58:41,599
yeah i'm i'm with the i'm but i'm always

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00:58:45,910 --> 00:58:43,760
uh prepared to be wrong

1659
00:58:46,789 --> 00:58:45,920
oh yeah no that that's that's the caveat

1660
00:58:48,470 --> 00:58:46,799
isn't it

1661
00:58:50,150 --> 00:58:48,480
you know she could come out tomorrow and

1662
00:58:52,710 --> 00:58:50,160
come out with some blindingly kind of

1663
00:58:54,230 --> 00:58:52,720
like amazing proof that everybody goes

1664
00:58:55,589 --> 00:58:54,240
yeah okay you know everything was said

1665
00:58:57,030 --> 00:58:55,599
about you is completely wrong sorry we

1666
00:58:59,510 --> 00:58:57,040
didn't believe you you know this is

1667
00:59:01,829 --> 00:58:59,520
right but until then all bets are off

1668
00:59:04,470 --> 00:59:01,839
aren't they yeah and you shouldn't feel

1669
00:59:06,069 --> 00:59:04,480
bad for you know if let's say we were

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00:59:08,230 --> 00:59:06,079
wrong and she came out with a couple of

1671
00:59:09,190 --> 00:59:08,240
real handsome aliens or something

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00:59:11,510 --> 00:59:09,200
and

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00:59:13,750 --> 00:59:11,520
you know we're like oh we were wrong

1674
00:59:15,349 --> 00:59:13,760
like we can't feel bad about that

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00:59:17,510 --> 00:59:15,359
because no one

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00:59:21,109 --> 00:59:17,520
really

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00:59:22,710 --> 00:59:21,119
if they go on factual things

1678
00:59:23,670 --> 00:59:22,720
would believe her

1679
00:59:24,470 --> 00:59:23,680
you know

1680
00:59:26,789 --> 00:59:24,480
so

1681
00:59:28,630 --> 00:59:26,799
you can't feel bad for not believing her

1682
00:59:31,349 --> 00:59:28,640
and before believing her doesn't make

1683
00:59:32,789 --> 00:59:31,359
you a hero either you know you know

1684
00:59:34,470 --> 00:59:32,799
i think you just got to like stand back

1685
00:59:35,750 --> 00:59:34,480
a bit and go well you know you go and do

1686
00:59:36,789 --> 00:59:35,760
what you want to do what you're going to

1687
00:59:38,150 --> 00:59:36,799
do you're going to get the people that

1688
00:59:40,069 --> 00:59:38,160
you've said you're going to get go off

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00:59:41,109 --> 00:59:40,079
and do it and then come back and tell us

1690
00:59:42,549 --> 00:59:41,119
yes

1691
00:59:43,990 --> 00:59:42,559
unless of course that was just a pitch

1692
00:59:45,589 --> 00:59:44,000
to try and get more people involved or

1693
00:59:47,670 --> 00:59:45,599
somebody involved you know if she

1694
00:59:49,190 --> 00:59:47,680
doesn't actually have anybody

1695
00:59:50,630 --> 00:59:49,200
you know kind of like you know it's all

1696
00:59:51,910 --> 00:59:50,640
just sort of sounds like a good

1697
00:59:53,829 --> 00:59:51,920
documentary

1698
00:59:55,829 --> 00:59:53,839
trail to the mountain

1699
00:59:57,349 --> 00:59:55,839
well george nappa said he wanted he is

1700
00:59:59,270 --> 00:59:57,359
locally he would go with him and you

1701
01:00:00,789 --> 00:59:59,280
know probably presumably document red

1702
01:00:02,870 --> 01:00:00,799
i'm sure jeremy called bella can get a

1703
01:00:09,190 --> 01:00:02,880
film out of it so why not you know the

1704
01:00:13,190 --> 01:00:11,910
yeah it was just a bit kind of

1705
01:00:14,549 --> 01:00:13,200
how far do you live away you know you

1706
01:00:15,349 --> 01:00:14,559
live probably quite a few hours from

1707
01:00:17,990 --> 01:00:15,359
there

1708
01:00:20,230 --> 01:00:18,000
yeah yeah uh where was your 15 or

1709
01:00:21,670 --> 01:00:20,240
something yeah something uh yeah i can't

1710
01:00:24,630 --> 01:00:21,680
believe exactly where it was i'm going

1711
01:00:26,789 --> 01:00:24,640
on vacation soon maybe so

1712
01:00:29,589 --> 01:00:26,799
oh well there you go oh is this a cover

1713
01:00:30,789 --> 01:00:29,599
is that a cover for you b or mold

1714
01:00:33,430 --> 01:00:30,799
is there something you are telling us

1715
01:00:38,340 --> 01:00:33,440
here yeah i'll be on vacation soon i may

1716
01:00:42,870 --> 01:00:40,710
[Laughter]

1717
01:00:45,030 --> 01:00:42,880
i appreciate you a good time as always

1718
01:00:47,430 --> 01:00:45,040
sir maybe one day i'll be able to pay

1719
01:00:49,349 --> 01:00:47,440
you for this stuff but until now

1720
01:00:50,950 --> 01:00:49,359
you have my friendship

1721
01:00:52,870 --> 01:00:50,960
that's enough sean that's all i love

1722
01:00:53,910 --> 01:00:52,880
thank you all right sounds good graham

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01:00:54,829 --> 01:00:53,920
okay

1724
01:00:56,710 --> 01:00:54,839
thank you

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01:00:58,630 --> 01:00:56,720
bye

1726
01:01:01,349 --> 01:00:58,640
all right that was awesome graham is

1727
01:01:04,290 --> 01:01:01,359
awesome uh you guys are awesome

1728
01:01:05,910 --> 01:01:04,300
and this is awesome

1729
01:01:09,430 --> 01:01:05,920
[Laughter]

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01:01:10,390 --> 01:01:09,440
so yeah sure i'll do that hidden to the

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01:01:13,510 --> 01:01:10,400
mountain

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01:01:14,950 --> 01:01:13,520
well keep the bodies something like that

1733
01:01:17,270 --> 01:01:14,960
perhaps

1734
01:01:19,510 --> 01:01:17,280
um

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01:01:24,069 --> 01:01:19,520
if she's bogus we'll know right away i

1736
01:01:26,069 --> 01:01:24,079
sure do i mean yes we will

1737
01:01:27,589 --> 01:01:26,079
you never know

1738
01:01:29,030 --> 01:01:27,599
like some people

1739
01:01:30,390 --> 01:01:29,040
are prepared to believe that kind of

1740
01:01:32,870 --> 01:01:30,400
thing like spaghetti would say some

1741
01:01:35,109 --> 01:01:32,880
people are not i am not in the prepared

1742
01:01:37,670 --> 01:01:35,119
group unfortunately

1743
01:01:39,030 --> 01:01:37,680
um but who knows

1744
01:01:41,270 --> 01:01:39,040
all right

1745
01:01:43,030 --> 01:01:41,280
guys you are the best really appreciate

1746
01:01:44,390 --> 01:01:43,040
you coming here

1747
01:01:45,430 --> 01:01:44,400
and hanging out please hit the like

1748
01:01:47,750 --> 01:01:45,440
button

1749
01:01:48,950 --> 01:01:47,760
um that would be awesome uh subscribe if

1750
01:01:51,589 --> 01:01:48,960
you're not a subscriber if you're

1751
01:01:53,270 --> 01:01:51,599
watching and not logged in log login to

1752
01:01:55,190 --> 01:01:53,280
your gmail

1753
01:01:57,270 --> 01:01:55,200
and subscribe

1754
01:01:59,029 --> 01:01:57,280
scott good to see you again megan too i

1755
01:02:00,549 --> 01:01:59,039
missed you up there thanks for coming

1756
01:02:01,670 --> 01:02:00,559
back i saw that

1757
01:02:03,349 --> 01:02:01,680
thank you

1758
01:02:04,870 --> 01:02:03,359
um and everybody else

1759
01:02:07,190 --> 01:02:04,880
herbs 13

1760
01:02:11,670 --> 01:02:07,200
fab gage scott jensen

1761
01:02:16,390 --> 01:02:14,470
see a doctor and get rid of them

1762
01:02:17,349 --> 01:02:16,400
oh yeah you guys are funny you guys are

1763
01:02:18,549 --> 01:02:17,359
awesome

1764
01:02:20,789 --> 01:02:18,559
spaghetti

1765
01:02:23,270 --> 01:02:20,799
glad you could uh make it

1766
01:02:25,270 --> 01:02:23,280
surfsike grandmaster you guys are the

1767
01:02:27,990 --> 01:02:25,280
best alan

1768
01:02:30,309 --> 01:02:28,000
oh disclosure team what's up

1769
01:02:33,349 --> 01:02:30,319
all right yep so that's all i got for

1770
01:02:36,390 --> 01:02:33,359
you today tomorrow we have chris

1771
01:02:37,270 --> 01:02:36,400
walford christopher walford um

1772
01:02:39,829 --> 01:02:37,280
and

1773
01:02:42,230 --> 01:02:39,839
actually let me

1774
01:02:44,470 --> 01:02:42,240
send you what we're gonna look at which

1775
01:02:47,190 --> 01:02:44,480
is not going to be documents for once i

1776
01:02:54,150 --> 01:02:50,150
so if you're a little docked out

1777
01:02:59,829 --> 01:02:55,990
um some of you may have actually heard

1778
01:03:03,670 --> 01:03:01,750
i'm just what i want to do is just put

1779
01:03:05,750 --> 01:03:03,680
the link in the chat there so you guys

1780
01:03:06,710 --> 01:03:05,760
can take it with you

1781
01:03:09,029 --> 01:03:06,720
and

1782
01:03:11,510 --> 01:03:09,039
watch it if you want before tomorrow or

1783
01:03:14,630 --> 01:03:11,520
not that's up to you

1784
01:03:17,430 --> 01:03:14,640
that is up to you

1785
01:03:18,950 --> 01:03:17,440
okay

1786
01:03:21,829 --> 01:03:18,960
there you go

1787
01:03:24,789 --> 01:03:21,839
that's the subject matter for tomorrow

1788
01:03:26,950 --> 01:03:24,799
you will enjoy it

1789
01:03:28,549 --> 01:03:26,960
adios guys

1790
01:03:30,390 --> 01:03:28,559
hey spaghetti thanks for the fiverr

1791
01:03:32,230 --> 01:03:30,400
appreciate you

1792
01:03:34,870 --> 01:03:32,240
we'll see you soon

1793
01:03:36,870 --> 01:03:34,880
i got a new song

1794
01:03:39,270 --> 01:03:36,880
i'm gonna release an album might as well

1795
01:03:47,270 --> 01:03:42,690
might as well all right

1796
01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:47,280
[Laughter]

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out